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View Poll Results: left, center or right aligned?
Left aligned 12 28.57%
Center aligned 10 23.81%
Right aligned 0 0%
mixed (overhead center, exit left aligned) 19 45.24%
i don't look at the signage anyway 1 2.38%
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Old April 27th, 2007, 02:35 PM   #281
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"Rugby' football is descended from 'Association' football (what the Canadians and we USAians call 'soccer') and, in turn, 'American' football is descended from Rugby.
WRONG, WRONG, WRONG!!!

Rugby Football and Association Football were developed in parallel, both being attempts to refine and codify the various forms of football that were played in the top schools in England, which in turn evolved out of the games of "football" played on religious holidays in towns and villages in medieval times. The word football came from the fact that it was played on foot (rather than horseback), or alternatively by common people who didn't own horses.

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^ Which all started with some idiot picking up the ball and running with it during a soccer (then football) game.
NO!!!! The story of William Webb Ellis is most likely an invention created to give the game some backstory, but even if it were true, he was playing football, i.e. the version played by his school, where it was legal to catch the ball, just not to run with it. Soccer hadn't even been invented back then.

The Cambridge-led movement to come up with a common set of laws actually included some clubs which played the Rugby style of football - apparently they were happy to forego handling the ball, but the sticking point was that hacking (kicking opponents' shins) was to be banned too, and this was too much of a change, so the Rugby game carried on separately...
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Old April 27th, 2007, 02:55 PM   #282
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enough about football or soccer in my opinion. Let's stick to metric signs
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Old April 27th, 2007, 07:09 PM   #283
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By the way, Washington DOT is one of the few that is not converting back to English units.
With the way things are slowly, but steadily trending, in a couple of decades the USA will be as thoroughly 'metric' as the RotW, except with road signs and petrol pricing. More and more consumer products are coming in even metric sizes and the younger crowd is very comfortable with it.

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Old April 28th, 2007, 09:08 AM   #284
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What I don't like in North America is the textual signs. It is easy to miss those totally So many things here are textual. For example, it is easy to miss those "Right lane must exist" signs, having to turn right if you don't move to the left in time. But there are many more examples.
Try remembering the "Left Lane Must Exit" signs...now those are a pain...
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Old April 28th, 2007, 10:16 AM   #285
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With the way things are slowly, but steadily trending, in a couple of decades the USA will be as thoroughly 'metric' as the RotW, except with road signs and petrol pricing.
I happened to notice an interesting thing. On a food package, it says 12.25 OZ (total weight), and then on the backside it reads, "Serving size: 87 g". All the nutritional information is also given in grammes or milligrammes. Well, at least those Americans who are concerned about their health will need to learn metric system
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I happened to notice an interesting thing. On a food package, it says 12.25 OZ (total weight), and then on the backside it reads, "Serving size: 87 g". All the nutritional information is also given in grammes or milligrammes. Well, at least those Americans who are concerned about their health will need to learn metric system
I'm firmly convinced that it is just a bunch of loud grumpy old luddites (the squeaky wheels often get the political grease here and many pols are terrified of even one constituant whining about anything), along with, as shown on The Simpsons, the Stonecutters whom are preventing a full changeover.

I also sometimes think that some food manufacturers don't want to get rid of their lbs and ozzes because then the public could easily see how much fat and carbos are really in what they buy.

It's slowly but steadily happening, though. We'll also see what happens with the EU's 2010 product packaging mandate (*NO* non-metric anything on packages sold in the EU after 2010).

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Old April 29th, 2007, 04:18 AM   #287
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The USA doesn't want to switch because all the grandmas and grandpas along with a bunch of younger pro-war anti-abortion folks will be upset
I really see know reason to have America switch to the metric except to appease elitist foreigners, with negative attitutes such as this ... this comment is absolute bullocks.
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Old April 29th, 2007, 05:00 AM   #288
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That sounds a bit metaphysical
lol, I apologize for my typo
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Old April 29th, 2007, 06:04 AM   #289
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i posted in this thread two years ago.

anyway, the US congress passed a bill in the 1970's to try to get the country to transition to metric which the american public promptly ignored.
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Old April 29th, 2007, 07:32 AM   #290
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I really see know reason to have America switch to the metric except to appease elitist foreigners, with negative attitutes such as this ... this comment is absolute bullocks.
Oh come on, you really see know reason? I see meny meny reasons to switch. And what about my attitute? Je m'excuse de mon comportement, monsieur
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i posted in this thread two years ago.

anyway, the US congress passed a bill in the 1970's to try to get the country to transition to metric which the american public promptly ignored.
The American public could be forced into metric system just like the Canadian or Australian public was. Yeah, it hurts first, but then you really get to enjoy it Are we still talking about metrication? Anyway, you don't see a lot of young Aussies or Canadians complaining about the transition.
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Old April 29th, 2007, 05:48 PM   #292
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Oh come on, you really see know reason? I see meny meny reasons to switch. And what about my attitute? Je m'excuse de mon comportement, monsieur
Sure its nice to have a system with measurements divisible by 10, however it doesn't take a rocket scientist to remember that there are 12 inches in a foot and 5280 feet in a mile.

Maybe while America is switching to the metric system, the UK, Japan, etc should start driving on the right and everyone in the world should learn English. Different countries do things differently, this shouldn't be so hard for people to accept.
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Old April 29th, 2007, 08:20 PM   #293
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Maybe while America is switching to the metric system, the UK, Japan, etc should start driving on the right
Which is more practically suited to the right handed person? Since the majority of the people are right handed in any country, that's a matter that should be taken into consideration when setting an international standard.
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Hehe actually driving on the left is technically more suited for right-handed people.

However with regards to remembering that there are 12 inches in a foot, I disagree. It is not hard to remember anything, but what about doing calculations?
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Hehe actually driving on the left is technically more suited for right-handed people.
Really? Isn't it safer to have the gear shift control with the stronger hand?
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True, that's a point I haven't thought about (well, in North America almost no one uses manual shifting), but when it comes to just the direction of travel, especially stemming from ancient times, it was more natural when your hand would face the centre of the road, which is only possible if you travel on the left.

But yes, with regards to gears, I agree. I guess at the end, especially with automatic transmissions, it doesn't really matter.
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True, that's a point I haven't thought about (well, in North America almost no one uses manual shifting), but when it comes to just the direction of travel, especially stemming from ancient times, it was more natural when your hand would face the centre of the road, which is only possible if you travel on the left.
Back in the old days, wasn't it preferable to keep the stronger hand on the wheel, while you did hand signals with the weaker hand?
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Maybe while America is switching to the metric system, the UK, Japan, etc should start driving on the right and everyone in the world should learn English. Different countries do things differently, this shouldn't be so hard for people to accept.
Different countries do things differently, yes. However, this expression doesn't really fit in a fact that except the USA, Liberia and Burma everyone else adopted the metric system. It is nice to have the same system of measurement for both scientific and everyday calculations.

As for driving on the right, I can't comment on your proposal since I myself always drive on the right. But let me tell you this — if America agreed to switch to metric tomorrow, I would agree to drive on the left (like Britons). I can learn even though it will cause some minor inconvenience in a short run. Driving on the left or on the right doesn't have any practical differences because the steering wheel also changes side. It is by no means a drawback unlike the archaic US Customary system.
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Old April 30th, 2007, 07:33 AM   #299
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well, in North America almost no one uses manual shifting
not true at all. most cars are automatic but a lot are still standard as well.
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not true at all. most cars are automatic but a lot are still standard as well.
You are right, but we have to look at this matter not by counting the number of cars with manual vs. automatic transmissions, but by considering who drives each category in Europe and in North America. What is the probability that you will see a middle-class soccer mom driving a stickshift? Theoretically, such probability exists, but practically it is an absolute zero. In Europe, on the other hand, the majority of middle-class ladies indeed drive the manual cars. To a lesser extent same applies also to male drivers. In N. America, those who drive manual cars are either students or rich 50+ year-old gentlemen with Jaguars or Porsches
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