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View Poll Results: left, center or right aligned?
Left aligned 12 28.57%
Center aligned 10 23.81%
Right aligned 0 0%
mixed (overhead center, exit left aligned) 19 45.24%
i don't look at the signage anyway 1 2.38%
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Old May 21st, 2007, 10:14 PM   #341
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this is the easiest way coming from the south to staten island AND brooklyn, and because these bridges connect each other (jersey to staten island and staten island to brooklyn) IMO it makes not that big difference if you put on the bridges or the districts (or whatever they may be called, i don't know exactly). on exit 10, in edison (interchange with I-287 and NJ-440), you get to the outer bridge to staten island. there'd be only NY-Staten Island as a destination, but not NY-Brooklyn.

considering the tunnels coming later (lincoln and holland tunnel) germans would probably put lower manhattan as a destination on holland tunnel exit and midtown manhattan on lincoln tunnel exit.

here we can see one big difference between the two systems: americans often use road names as destinations on the signs. this is not so common in germany.

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Old May 21st, 2007, 10:19 PM   #342
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You only see road names as exits in Berlin, and rarely outside that city. (Bochum).
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Old May 21st, 2007, 10:23 PM   #343
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^ Yeah, usually you only see city districts. In Italy OTOH streets are common.
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Old May 22nd, 2007, 09:24 AM   #344
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Patrick, I think you should have started from less messy signs. NJ turnpike signs are extremely un-standardised. For instance, how would you change these sign?



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Old May 22nd, 2007, 10:11 AM   #345
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Who needs sign anymore?? We now have GPS but the German signs are far more clearly than the American ones. The Dutch are even better than the Germans, but that's my opinion.
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Old May 22nd, 2007, 11:36 AM   #346
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@ Alex;

It is mostly the overhead signs for many lanes which looks messy. Sometimes only a number and wind direction, or only one control city.
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Old May 22nd, 2007, 12:23 PM   #347
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@alex: i have chosen the nj turnpike because i love neighboring new york and because it is the only interstate i have driven on (not for myself ) for a longer time. (i just wanted to have new york city as a major destination on the sign bridges i didn't remember how messy these signs were before i looked up for these pictures, so it's like winning a lottery i guess that i picked the messiest or one of the messiest without knowing that )

back to the signs you posted: yes, they indeed look very standardised. after looking several maps here's how they'd look over here (at leat if i was the sign designer normal german).

EXIT 116

On the westbound exit, I'd add Yuba City and Ophir as destinations; Eastbound, Lincoln and Ophir is enough.

and like everywhere, i'd add a so called "vorwegweiser"


EXIT 105A:
I'd always put the name of the city or the town where you are in the moment or where the roads belong to:
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Old May 22nd, 2007, 01:25 PM   #348
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I'd always put the name of the city or the town where you are in the moment or where the roads belong to
Very good! You see a lot of road names without knowing which city you're in
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Old May 22nd, 2007, 05:49 PM   #349
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ok, here we go

This one is better, although there are still a few things that need to be changed. The first thing is the exit number. It's much easier to give directions and give an exit number to tell people where to get off than to tell them to look for certain words on a sign. This is especially true when there are multiple exits for a city. Forinstance, there are 3 exits for Newark, Delaware, in my area. One exit is in Maryland, the other two in Delaware. It is much easier to say "Get off at Exit 3" or "Get off at Exit 1" than to say "Look for the sign that says 'Newark/Dover', make sure it's not the one that says 'Newark/Middletown'".

The other thing is that in the above photoshop, you used the circular state route sign for a New York route. Each state has their own shape for state routes. Some states have generic shapes: New Jersey and Delaware use circles, Massachusetts uses a box, etc. Some have unique shapes: Pennsylvania uses a keystone, New Hamshire uses the Old Man in the Mountain, etc. Some states use their state outline: Arizona, Arkansas, Georgia, etc.

This website will show you what each state's state route signs should look like: http://www.ugcs.caltech.edu/~jlin/signs/states/
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Old May 22nd, 2007, 05:54 PM   #350
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Pretty cool stuff. How do you do that btw?
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Old May 22nd, 2007, 06:03 PM   #351
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Wow this is awesome.

America would look so much better.
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Old May 22nd, 2007, 06:45 PM   #352
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the thing with the exit numbers might be true, but that doesn't mean we don't have exit numbers we just use them a bit otherwise.

each exit has its own name so we wouldn't say "get off at where it says blah" just get off at for example "elkton/newark" or "newark-south" or "newark-east" or whatever the 3 names would be.

here are the german rules:

1. announce of the exit: only distance/number/name of the exit


2. "pre-direction sign": only distance/road numbers/destinations (can also be overhead of course)


then you have three of so called "baken" giving the distance till the begin of the slow-down-lane for the exit. the exit number appears again on the 300m-bake, but not on the 200m and 100m bake


3. direction sign when the slow-down-lane begins: destinations (can be overhead of course, too)


4. distance sign after the exit


the thing with the round shape of the state's route is that this sign i edited is located in new jersey, and the connected road (439) is a ring road around elizabeth, nj. i know that each state has it's own state route number design
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Old May 22nd, 2007, 07:25 PM   #353
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Sometimes there are 2 "vorwegweisers".
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Old May 22nd, 2007, 08:04 PM   #354
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Here you just need to widen the right board, it's too squeezed (I know, it's the original, but it can't stay this way).
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Old May 22nd, 2007, 08:38 PM   #355
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@ Matt:

The Newark Ones maybe could look like this (anounces and pre-direction signs)





@ Ze Protektor: For the signs I use a programm called WEGWEIS and of course a picture editing programm.

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Looks great!
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By the way, the new Clearview font looks really good!
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Old May 22nd, 2007, 09:19 PM   #358
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Of course, he's referring to Newark, DE and not Newark, NJ.



It is very common in the USA for important cities of the same name to be located very close to each other in neighboring states. Perhaps he can include the 'DE' after the 'Newark' on the ones for I-95 in Delaware and the 'NJ' after the 'Newark' for the ones in New Jersey.



Oh yea, I also wish that the USA would use 'm' and 'km' on its signs, too, but that is for a different discussion.



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Old May 23rd, 2007, 01:48 AM   #359
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Sometimes there are 2 "vorwegweisers".
Normally only at interchanges.

Btw, nice idea, Patrick. Especially that you use Hessian style signs. They are so much clearer and reasoned than those used in the rest of Germany.
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On the westbound exit, I'd add Yuba City and Ophir as destinations; Eastbound, Lincoln and Ophir is enough.

and like everywhere, i'd add a so called "vorwegweiser"
What the hell is Ophir? I live here for 7 years and have never seen or driven through this town. But hey, you are not from this area, so I wouldn't expect you to know which cities are more significant than others. But the sign you've designed kicks ass! Bravo! I would like to see more of these here.

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EXIT 105A:
I'd always put the name of the city or the town where you are in the moment or where the roads belong to:
The sign would look even more genuine if the street names were black on white. But I like it!

I made one observation regarding the road engineers. They are all WASPs. In Electrical Engineering department (where I study) there are bunch of people from all over the world, but for some reason foreign folks don't want to go into road engineering field. Probably, that is the reason why America is stuck with current ugly non-standardised signs
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