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Old May 18th, 2005, 09:13 PM   #41
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Why is metric the way of the future? I think Imperical is better. The world isn't divided up in 1s, 10s and 1000s. Things are imperfect and I think Imperical (U.S. Customary or whatever) fits our country better.
You may like the imperial system and be used to it, and i understand why you wouldn's want to switch to imperial, being used to imperial.
But by saying metric isn't a more exact and a more advanced system, your simply being dumb, because it it, and that's a FACT. Not a subjective matter.
That's why scientists in US use the metric system, like others mentioned.
Because 1 km = 1000 meter = 100000 cm... And 1m^3 = 1000 L... and so on, and so on.

So please don't make a fool of yourself saying that imperial system is as good or better as as metric system, because it isn't... it's much worse.

Still, for what you use it on a daily basis, imperial system is enough, and works very well, so, as I've said, you may like it, and I understand why you wouldn't like it to change....
It's never easy to change our habits.
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Old May 19th, 2005, 01:25 AM   #42
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I havnt seen a single metric sign in the UK....our country is mixed with metric and Imperical!

We buy our petrol in gallons and our drink in liters!
I buy my petrol in litres and my drink in pints!

Oh, and I'm 1.80m tall and 70kg, and I don't measure things in inches...
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Old May 19th, 2005, 01:42 AM   #43
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On a side note, Great Briton changed its imperial system to meet metric standards. Talk about a mess. In the US (the original imperial system) a gallon is 3.8 liters, and a pound is 454 grams. In GB, that same "gallon" is 4 liters and that same "pound" is 500 gram. Talk to an older butcher in GB and you wont hear the end of it.
Great Britain didn't change the imperial system to meet metric standards - a UK gallon was always different to a US gallon because in the UK there are 20 fluid ounces to the pint rather than 16 as in the US, which means a UK gallon is 4.546 litres as opposed to 3.785 litres in the US.

A UK pound is also 454 grams.
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Old May 19th, 2005, 04:55 AM   #44
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Great Britain didn't change the imperial system to meet metric standards - a UK gallon was always different to a US gallon because in the UK there are 20 fluid ounces to the pint rather than 16 as in the US, which means a UK gallon is 4.546 litres as opposed to 3.785 litres in the US.

A UK pound is also 454 grams.
Oh snap, I stand corrected. I must be wrong, but I have some recollection of there being a system change in the UK about 30 years ago.

regardless, thats off topic. Few would argue the virtues of the metric system, but no one has yet come up with a real reason why the US should switch.
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Old May 19th, 2005, 02:05 PM   #45
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Why should the US switch? To get with it maybe? Just like the learned US scientifc community has. Change can be a good thing you know. Imagine the ease of teaching measurements at school. A liter of water weighs 1 kg, 0 degree C is the freezing temp of water (why is 32f equal), 100 degree C is the boiling point of water, The Kelvin degree is exactly the same amount as a Celsius degree, 100cm makes a meter (12in makes a foot, why?), and we can go on and on and on. It is simply a more logical and better thought out system so therefore it is silly not to adopt it just like the US scientific community has.
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Old May 19th, 2005, 02:26 PM   #46
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the world changed to the french metric system because its so much easier to learn and use.

unlike trying to remember weird things like homeriods said, metric is easily converted from one unit to another, and most of them are in units of to 10^x . Also metric prefexs help.

i get lost in imperial measurements....
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Old May 19th, 2005, 07:50 PM   #47
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Again, two responces preaching the merits of the metric system. Like I said before, I see the logic in the metric system. Please stop talking about it.

The only responce I got to my question is so the US can "get with it." Oooohhh, what a great reason! Like you said (and I did earlier) the US scientific comunity has gotten "with it" as have the engineers etc.

Why does everybody else need to "get with it????" Our imperial system works fine, and obviously people here have no trouble knowing that a pint of fluid is a pound (16oz). The imperial system can be taught and learned just like the metric system. Meanwhile we have 300 million people that have measuring cups, clothes, cars, and just about everything else in imperial. Also while it is easy to teach a school child about the metric system, good luck teaching it to a disenfranchised 55 year old who doesnt want to change. The is no overwhelming need for the system to be changed, it works fine the way it is.

Now if someone has a thought that is more than to "get with it" please share, I am all ears.
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Old May 21st, 2005, 05:28 PM   #48
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lol. I really don't understand the resistance to change. It's simple, if a better system comes along and makes more sense then why not change? That's all we are saying. It is like the decimal system for currency. Australia changed to decimal for currency in 1966 for logical reasons and nothing more. 12 shillings made a pound I think and I don't know how many pents made the next unit. It was weird and basically adhoc.

It's the same with imperial measurements obviously. Australia made the change to metric in 1972. Why? Simply because it made more sense. This is the only reason why and this is not an emotional persuasive reason. So, when I say "get with it" I mean in the context of adopting a system that is simpler to understand, more logically laid out, and just makes a lot more sense. Just like deciaml curreny did over none decimal currency.

Old people don't like change, but change, if good shouldn't suffer because old people don't like it. You can run concurrent for sometime you know. Get with it simply means those who can accept change when it makes more sense and when it is an improvement over the old.
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Old May 21st, 2005, 05:43 PM   #49
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we have 300 million people that have measuring cups, clothes, cars, and just about everything else in imperial.
But all the immigrants from Latin America and Asia must understand metric as it was used in their original countries.

The imperial system is ridiculous, even most people who say they prefer it and know it well can't tell you how many feet are in a mile or how many noggins are in a quart.

To see the real arcane complexity of the system just take a look at these links

http://www.answers.com/topic/imperial-unit

http://www.answers.com/topic/u-s-cus...units?method=5
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Old May 21st, 2005, 06:00 PM   #50
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As a person who designs highways and signs them in the US, I can say that I was disappointed the US switched back to Imperial from Metric. There was a big push in the 90s to switch to metric, and all highways began being designed that way until they made us switch back. Designing in metric was much, much easier and simpler. For a while there we still signed the road in Imperial Units, but the whole thing was designed in metric for all practical purposes.
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Old May 22nd, 2005, 03:52 AM   #51
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Yes, and just how many of those imperial units of measurement do people use in their day to day life or sincerely even know:

* 1 poppy seed = 1/4 barley corn = 2.11 mm
* 1 barleycorn = 1/3 inch ~= 8.467 mm
* 1 inch = 25.4 mm = 2.54 cm
* 1 foot = 12 inches = 304.8 mm = 3.048 dm
* 1 yard = 3 feet = 0.9144 m = 9.144 dm
* 1 rod, pole or perch = 5 1/2 yards = 5.0292 m
* 1 chain = 4 poles = 20.1168 m
* 1 furlong = 10 chains = 201.168 m
* 1 mile = 8 furlongs = 1.609 344 km
* 1 league = 3 miles = 4.828 032 km

Maybe inch, foot, yard, mile? Furlongs in horse racing maybe? League is quite redundant.

With metric, due to the logic, it is easy to learn each scale of measurement since there is firstly, consistency in naming standards and secondly, consistency in each level or scale due to powers of 10. Ram memory for example, technically not metric, borrows from metric in that it is strictly powers of 2 but at their 10th iteration. 2^10 (1024) = KILObyte, 2^20 (1048576), MEGAbyte. It also uses naming prefixes the same as metric. Obviously for computers the power of 2 is significant.

My point being, it is a consistent and logical scale. Imperial is not. We all know this and therin lies the reason why it is a good reason to change from imperial to metric.

Put it this way, if we were to sit down around a table and think up a system to replace Imperial that made more sense and was easier to learn (our reasons for change) it would be metric.
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Old May 22nd, 2005, 08:44 AM   #52
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The US scientific community and engineering companies use metric now, and have done so for decades.

It's the US common culture that sticks to imperial because the measurements themselves for the circumstances tend to be more convenient and most conversions aren't necessary. Americans have a clearer picture of how long a mile is as opposed to km, and I actually find it easier to measure the height of people by feet and inches because most people are either 5'X" or 6'X." You don't have to convert miles into feet much at all, nor gallons into quarts or whatever. The only conversion of great importance in everyday life is feet to inches, and that's easy enough (1 = 12).

Now granted, I know a lot of the rough conversions from imperial to metric as it is (1 mile = 1.6 km, 1 gal = roughly 4 liters, etc.), so I would not care as much as most Americans if we converted, and every once in a while in most states, you'll find random road signs with metric measurements. There's one on I-24 right outside of Chattanooga. In fact, in grocery stores, most food products are put in metric as well. A coke can is 12 fl oz and 355 ml, etc. The US is slowly converting as it's not government endorsed, but rather embraced by private enterprise, something Americans tend to feel more comfortable with for better or for worse.
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Old May 22nd, 2005, 10:20 PM   #53
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I'm a proud Central American who uses the metric system, but I'm cool with the imperial one, cause part of my family is from the U.S. I guess you get used to the system you grow up with, whether it's metric (honestly the best), imperial, measuring with a rock or a stick, ...

But if either the metric or the imperial system had to take over the world, it would definitely be the....metric one!
But everyone should feel free to use the system they personally are OK with.
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But all the immigrants from Latin America and Asia must understand metric as it was used in their original countries.
Ha!! Try selling that one to the American public. I personally am not resistant to change, but many people (everywhere in the world) are. Everybody on this thread who doesnt like the US using the metric system doesnt actually live here. As mentioned earlier, its been tried, and the repeated attempts have failed. The imperial system is fine, and people here have the attitude that if it aint broke dont fix it.

In fields where metric truly is advantagous (where lots of calculations need to made) the US is already using the metric system. Farthermore, like someone else said, every product sold in a US grocery store has the metric measurements next to the imperial ones. If youre a tourist who cant figure out what it means to be 80 miles from the city, just look at your speedometer. It will have KM under the miles and if you look at 80 mph you'll see the 120 km/h that will tell you how far you have to go.

I wouldnt mind seeing the metric system here, but it will never happen, people here are too set in their ways.
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Ha!! Try selling that one to the American public. I personally am not resistant to change, but many people (everywhere in the world) are. Everybody on this thread who doesnt like the US using the metric system doesnt actually live here. As mentioned earlier, its been tried, and the repeated attempts have failed. The imperial system is fine, and people here have the attitude that if it aint broke dont fix it.

In fields where metric truly is advantagous (where lots of calculations need to made) the US is already using the metric system. Farthermore, like someone else said, every product sold in a US grocery store has the metric measurements next to the imperial ones. If youre a tourist who cant figure out what it means to be 80 miles from the city, just look at your speedometer. It will have KM under the miles and if you look at 80 mph you'll see the 120 km/h that will tell you how far you have to go.

I wouldnt mind seeing the metric system here, but it will never happen, people here are too set in their ways.
Sounds like a similar situation to the UK.
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Sounds like a similar situation to the UK.
I have found from Britons my age that most of them know quite a lot of imperial measurements for everyday tasks like Americans... they say someone is 5'10" or whatever and weighs 170, and some know how long a mile is relatively speaking. However, they tend to be more aware of the metric system than we are and use it a lot more. It seems that while Britain and the US are both behind most of the rest of the world, it seems Britain is about 15-20 years ahead of the US in making a gradual conversion.
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I have found from Britons my age that most of them know quite a lot of imperial measurements for everyday tasks like Americans... they say someone is 5'10" or whatever and weighs 170, and some know how long a mile is relatively speaking. However, they tend to be more aware of the metric system than we are and use it a lot more. It seems that while Britain and the US are both behind most of the rest of the world, it seems Britain is about 15-20 years ahead of the US in making a gradual conversion.
Unfortunately though, the UK is only making a half-hearted attempt to convert - most people my age, who will have been taught metric all through school, still talk in feet/inches, stones/pounds, miles etc. because outside of school that's how their parents, the media etc. still speak...
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Old May 24th, 2005, 12:30 AM   #58
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From a highways perspective having the US switch to metric makes little sense. Imperial works very well (as well as metric imho) from a highway standpoint, and the actual switch from imperial to metric would likely cost a fortune. (Look into how much highay guide signage actually costs and you will know what i mean).

However, switching to metric still might make a fair amount of sense for other reasons. It has been suggested that school children in the US are forced to learn about fractions too early, causing students to have more difficulty with the concept that they otherwise would later in life. Countries still using imperial measures need to teach children fractions early in life, since they are so prevelant in the imperial system. Other metric countries have started teaching fractions later which apparently has proved to be most beneficial, resulting in overall better math skills.

Personally I think the US would be wise to switch to metric even despite the large cost of doing this. Most other Western Countries have switched to metric, and the results have proved favourable, it seems that American residents would also benefit from this switch.

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I used both at the university: The subject is in imperial units, I calculate with metric system then I write the answer in US units. Very interesting!

The metric system is based on the observation of our environment.
The imperial system is based on the observation of "me" (very practical to measure a body...and that's all).

According to you, which will disappear?
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Old May 24th, 2005, 03:38 PM   #60
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I find it quite amusing the mix in the building industry here in the UK. Architects, engineers and even contractors use metric for everything. The clients and agents etc all use imperial. It depresses me a little that I know off by heart that 1 sq.m. is 10.764 sq.ft.

I had a situation only yesterday when I gave the density of a development in terms of residential units per hectare. The client emailed me back requesting it in square feet per acre, i.e. the length of a legionnaires foot squared per area of field one man can plough in a day.... when you think about it it is ridculous.
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