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Old June 6th, 2013, 08:03 PM   #261
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belgians railways are bad!
No spectacular things except Liege station
Have you ever been to Antwerp Central? (since 2008)
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Old June 7th, 2013, 12:01 AM   #262
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Have they finished the works on Zaventen Airport station?
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Old June 7th, 2013, 01:41 AM   #263
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Through-trains stop at Brussel-Nationaal-Luchthaven nowadays.
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Old June 7th, 2013, 04:59 PM   #264
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Axelferis is from Italy....He's just butthurt AnsaldoBreda delivered a bunch of crap trains and the Belgian government is used to speak up...

Not to mention the crap trams they made (where the floor rusted out) and oh....that helicopter that only flies from time to time.

When doors fall off, rust starts to appear afther a few months, batteries explode, and pieces of the roof come loose while driving....You've done a bad job. Now the Italian government accusing NMBS/SCNB for bad maintanance and tries to sue us?

When a highspeed train falls apart afther a few test runs, that has nothing to do with maintanance. And then they also try to blame the Belgian weather. "It snows in Belgium" No shit sherlock, you didn't think about that?


Some damage taken:


Underneath the train; heavy damage from just driving at the regular speed these trains should operate (230-250km/h)



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Old June 7th, 2013, 05:14 PM   #265
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belgians railways are bad!
No spectacular things except Liege station
The Belgian Railways are certainly better than your English.
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Old June 7th, 2013, 07:58 PM   #266
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Old June 7th, 2013, 07:59 PM   #267
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So what will be the long-term outcome for the new HS line between Rotterdam and Antwerp?

Trains from Alstom, Siemens - Hitachi?
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Old June 8th, 2013, 02:13 AM   #268
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That would be nice!
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Old June 8th, 2013, 01:16 PM   #269
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So what will be the long-term outcome for the new HS line between Rotterdam and Antwerp?

Trains from Alstom, Siemens - Hitachi?
Or Bombardier...

Right now there is a tender running for 249kph trains for SBB. I would imagine that one of the designs that comes out of that would be a good match for the Dutch/Belgian HSL services.
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They should go for 320 km/h trains if they put out a new tender. That would make 1h39 Amsterdam-Bruxelles travelling possible.
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Old June 8th, 2013, 02:11 PM   #271
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Not sure if 320km/h trains make sense when they have to stop twice in between Antwerp and Amsterdam. Maybe they don't even get up to that speed in such short distance an the heavy thrain traffic in the region. I think 250km/h will do.

Thalys, ICE and TGV also don't drive 320km/h between Brussels-Lille, Brussels-Antwerp, Brussels-Liège-Köln. I have no idea wich top speed they make on those short distances though.
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Old June 8th, 2013, 02:48 PM   #272
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Antwerpen station is possibly the prettiest in Europe, but other than that really not so much to brag about regarding Belgian railways...
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Old June 8th, 2013, 03:23 PM   #273
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Why would bragging be your goal?
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Old June 8th, 2013, 03:25 PM   #274
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We don't brag do we? We know the flaws in our railsystem and many hate the NMBS/SNCB for it because change is slow and not many things have been accomplished.
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Why would bragging be your goal?
It's just a manner of speaking, you can substitute it with "being proud of"
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Well, we aren't.

However, in Bruges and Ghent new railway stations are being build as we speak. Leuven has a new railwaystation, Liège has a new railwaystation. Antwerp was renovated extensively.

The worst of the worst of Belgian railways is just Brussels. Why NMBS/SNCB doesn't tackel this problem, who knows? It's a downright shame, an I feel ashamed that international travelers have to see 3 outdated main railwaystations (South-Central-North) in Brussels that have been badly kept over the years and have never been modernised.
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Old June 8th, 2013, 04:21 PM   #277
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Train stations in Brussels aren't great, but what bothered me a lot more when I was there late last year is the numerous delays and very crowded trains (middle of a day).

It's great if the services are fast, but for short and medium distance routes it's far more important that delays are very rare so commuters can trust 10 min connections.
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The delays are a problems yes. Also because Brussels is a huge botlleneck. The amount of trains that have to pass throught Brussels on the available amount is tracks is just to much for the system to cope with. Also it depends of where you took the train and to what destinations. Some lines are always full no matter what day or hour you take them. If one trains runs just a bit late, the whole system gets delayed.... Changes are underway, but I'm afraid Brussels is going to be a bottleneck for at least the next decade

here is the botlleneck filmed just outside Brussels South.

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320 km/h trains would be a waste of money as the design speed for HSL-Zuid is 300 km/h. I am positive it's possible to go faster than that, but I don't think the authorities will let you.
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Old June 8th, 2013, 05:48 PM   #280
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Slowly the Desiro-trains are taking over by replacing the older trains. The delivery (of over 300 trains) was stopped a few months ago because of problems with the trains but Siemens have solved the issues and the delivery (of 5 to 8 trains per month) has been resumed.
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