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Old October 16th, 2014, 09:54 AM   #481
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last video: build a tunnel allready I can allready immagine the daily traffic jam on that road!
It's also staying ridiculously long closed.

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Deze overweg, gelegen in Lier, schijnt de drukste spoorwegovergang van België te zijn. De overweg zou iedere dag 216 keer sluiten en gemiddeld 10 uur en 48 minuten dicht zitten per dag. In deze 15 minuten lange video rijden 7 treinen voorbij en zit de overweg meer dan 12 minuten dicht.
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This railroad crossing in the city of Lier is believed to be most busy railroad crossing in Belgium. The crossing closes 216 times and on average 10hours and 48 minutes every single day. In this 15 min video, 7 trains cross and the crossing is closed for little over 12 minutes.
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Old November 7th, 2014, 03:45 PM   #482
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Past monday a small train accident happened at Linkebeek, quite surprised to see that nobody has posted it here.
16 injured in train accident

16 people were slightly injured when two trains collided at the station in the Flemish Brabant municipality of Linkebeek. The accident happened at around 1:30pm on Monday when a maintenance train collided with a passenger train that was on its way from the Walloon Brabant town of Braine l’Alleud to the East Flemish city of Aalst.


The are currently no trains running between Brussels South and Braine-l’Alleud. The Belgian Railways spokeswoman Nathalie Pierard told the VRT that “Those wishing to travel between Linkebeek and Braine-l Alleud can take a TEC (Walloon public transport company bus) and those wishing to travel from Linkebeek to Brussels South can take busses provided by the Brussels public transport company MIVB”. TEC also provides scheduled bus services from Brussels South to Braine-l’Alleud.

Services between Braine l’Alleud and Charleroi are running normally. The latest information on delays and cancellations can be found on the railtime.be website.

Thomas Baeken of the company that maintains and manages Belgium’s rail infrastructure told journalists that "The maintenance train ran into the back of the passenger train. This was as low seed as the train was already breaking. The circumstance surround the accident are now been investigated.”

There were 41 people travelling on the passenger train. 16 of them were taken with minor injuries to three local hospitals. The remaining passengers were taken by bus to Brussels South Railway Station from where they were able to continue their journey.
http://deredactie.be/permalink/1.2137979

The probable cause of the accident is the grease of leaves that have fallen on the tracks. The first train apparently failed to halt at its scheduled stop in Linkebeek and then stopped. The maintenance train following failed to brake, even though the safety systems probably worked as intended and put the train in an emergency brake. None of this is confirmed though.
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Old November 17th, 2014, 05:59 PM   #483
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For those interested, I made a diagram showing all regular train services that will be active after the schedule change mid-December feedback is always welcome.



Download the map via this link.
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Old November 17th, 2014, 08:30 PM   #484
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Impressive Well done mate!
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Old November 17th, 2014, 08:40 PM   #485
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Oh my Madoka... that's some fantastic work! :o
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Old November 18th, 2014, 12:27 AM   #486
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That is a wonderful diagram. What software did you use?
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Old November 18th, 2014, 12:38 AM   #487
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This is done entirely with Illustrator the newest CC version brought some nice little features that really sped up my work.
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Old November 18th, 2014, 10:07 AM   #488
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For those interested, I made a diagram showing all regular train services that will be active after the schedule change mid-December feedback is always welcome.[/URL].
Absolutely wonderful. Two questions :
- Do you mind if I cross-post your work in other forums ?
- Would you do also the diagram for the week-end network ?

Regarding the contents, are you really sure that there will be two relations
per hour on the line between Charleroi and Couvin ? That seems so unlikely
to me...
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Old November 18th, 2014, 10:10 AM   #489
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I have a question, just to confirm it: according to this diagram, stations Simonis, Ouest and Chapelle will only have 1 train per hour per direction calling there? Isn't this a vast underutilization of stations in the center of Bruxelles metro?

Second question: why are they calling some services as RER is they have only 16-18 runs per day? Isn't a service with 60min interval too infrequent to be called "RER"? I'm not trying to start a fight and nip-ticking on nomenclature, just questioning why have they created this separate category if its patterns (distance, frequency) are similar to others....
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Old November 18th, 2014, 10:23 AM   #490
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The whole RER-system has been dumbed down greatly by the SNCB and the politicians in charge. In reality, they're just regular local trains running indeed.
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Old November 18th, 2014, 10:38 AM   #491
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I have a question, just to confirm it: according to this diagram, stations Simonis, Ouest and Chapelle will only have 1 train per hour per direction calling there? Isn't this a vast underutilization of stations in the center of Bruxelles metro?
Chapelle and Congrès are on the North-South link and not that much used.
SNCB would like to close them because they eat up too much capacity on
this link which is too heavily used already. But it will be difficult for political
reasons. So they keep it open but with as less trains stopping there as
possible.

For Simonis and Ouest, it's the other way around. There is a lot of potential,
there are great plans for re-developping the area around those stations so the
infrastructure is being made ready for traffic expansion, but for the time
being the demand is not that big, so the offer is kept minimal. But it will change...

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Second question: why are they calling some services as RER is they have only 16-18 runs per day? Isn't a service with 60min interval too infrequent to be called "RER"? I'm not trying to start a fight and nip-ticking on nomenclature, just questioning why have they created this separate category if its patterns (distance, frequency) are similar to others....
For the time being, RER is still nothing more than an concept in Belgium, as
infrastructure works will still take 8-10 years before completion. So RER today
is just a slogan used to name local trains around Brussels. On the plan, each
solid line represents one train per hour ; there are indeed some lines where no
more than that is needed (just realize that Brussels is just a city of 1M inhabitants,
and outside the circle Braine-l'Alleud-Halle-Denderleew-Zellik-Mechelen-Leuven-
Groenendael, you are really out of the city and what you
see from the train window is mostly fields and woods) ; every place where
more than one train per hour is needed, you will see 2, 3 or 4 parallel lines on
the map, indicating a train every 30, 20 or 15 min...

In the future, the Brussels RER network will probably looks like this :
http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Fi...png?uselang=fr
each line denoting one train every 30 minutes.
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Old November 18th, 2014, 12:06 PM   #492
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Absolutely wonderful. Two questions : - Do you mind if I cross-post your work in other forums ? - Would you do also the diagram for the week-end network ? Regarding the contents, are you really sure that there will be two relations per hour on the line between Charleroi and Couvin ? That seems so unlikely to me...
Please do just let me know in private message where you posted it so I can track feedback. I am planning to make a weekend version too, as I'm especially interested in the differences in frequencies on a lot of lines, but for the weekend I don't have the new schedule in a document so I will have to look up every train on the website which will take longer.
As for the Charleroi - Couvin line, you're right: there is no L-train between Couvin and Charleroi as this should be a Peak hour train. I will change this as quickly as possible. This does give me the incentive to show stations that are only served by P-trains, as there are some on other lines too. Thanks for noticing.
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Old November 18th, 2014, 12:41 PM   #493
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I posted it allready here

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showth...367975&page=41
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Old November 18th, 2014, 04:52 PM   #494
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Please do just let me know
I plan to post it in two places :

- The NNTP newsgroup fido.belg.trains
- The HTML discussion forum of the site www.tram2000.be

But I'll wait until the line 132 correction is done.
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Old November 18th, 2014, 07:45 PM   #495
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Consider it done thanks!
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Old November 19th, 2014, 04:56 PM   #496
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For the time being, RER is still nothing more than an concept in Belgium, as
infrastructure works will still take 8-10 years before completion. So RER today
is just a slogan used to name local trains around Brussels. On the plan, each
solid line represents one train per hour ; there are indeed some lines where no
more than that is needed (just realize that Brussels is just a city of 1M inhabitants,...
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Well, my town only has 120K inhabitants, yet the S-Bahn runs every 15 minutes on most lines... The service levels around Brussels are still rather low for a city it's size.

In fact, most lines in Flanders justify a local at least every half hour. Around Brussels the aim should be to go for metro like frequencies (and better integration with the Urban transportation). Only then does Brussels stand a chance of losing it's position as most congested city in the world...
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Well, my town only has 120K inhabitants...
Which is ?

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yet the S-Bahn runs every 15 minutes on most lines...
How many ?

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The service levels around Brussels are still rather low for a city it's size.
Compared with ?

The current service frequencies that you see on this map is the base service
only, i.e. the trains running every hour, between 6AM and 10PM. This is re-inforced
by many additional services at peak hours, most of them stopping at
selected stations only. The result is that between 7 to 9 AM, and 4 to 6 PM,
the north-south link, as well as the north, central, and south stations, are
totally saturated. Adding more trains would need expanding this infrastructure
first, something that the financial state of this country could not afford.

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In fact, most lines in Flanders justify a local at least every half hour. Around Brussels the aim should be to go for metro like frequencies
When you take commuters and schoolchildren out of the picture, no. Outside
this, the traffic patterns in Belgium are too local. High frequencies are only
needed for daily commutes.

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(and better integration with the Urban transportation).
There you really have a point.

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(Only then does Brussels stand a chance of losing it's position as most congested city in the world...
As a belgian citizen working in Brussels every day, I think this status is
heavily exaggerated. Also, congestion in Brussels comes from several factors :

- moves inside the city, caused by insufficient offer of local transport
- road infrastructure too centered around Brussels
- too high market share of trucks in goods transportation
- very high volume of commuters coming to Brussels every day (caused by
its status of capital city, but also because belgian linguistic laws)
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Which is ?
Bern

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How many ?
Depends on the line. Look for "S-Bahn Bern".




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The current service frequencies that you see on this map is the base service
only, i.e. the trains running every hour, between 6AM and 10PM. This is re-inforced
by many additional services at peak hours, most of them stopping at
selected stations only. The result is that between 7 to 9 AM, and 4 to 6 PM,
the north-south link, as well as the north, central, and south stations, are
totally saturated. Adding more trains would need expanding this infrastructure
first, something that the financial state of this country could not afford.
These extra trains are a problem. If you look at SBB you'll see that they hardly run peak hour extras. Neither does NS. It is far more efficient to just run a high level service the whole day.

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When you take commuters and schoolchildren out of the picture, no. Outside
this, the traffic patterns in Belgium are too local. High frequencies are only
needed for daily commutes.
It's a chicken and egg problem. If you postion public transit as something for people who commute to Brussels and people who can't afford cars then yes.
But if you want to tempt people to choose a transit orientated lifestyle you need a high level of frequency throughout the day. You're not going to get local people on the train to travel to the next village down the line unless your train runs at least every half hour.



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As a belgian citizen working in Brussels every day, I think this status is
heavily exaggerated. Also, congestion in Brussels comes from several factors :
What I always find odd about Brussel is how public transit has a high share with people commuting from far away, but rather a low share with people who live close. That shows that indeed the local service is severely lacking.
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Old November 19th, 2014, 09:47 PM   #499
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What I always find odd about Brussel is how public transit has a high share with people commuting from far away, but rather a low share with people who live close. That shows that indeed the local service is severely lacking.
IS it really lacking? The subway/pre-metro is respectable in size for its population.
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Size doesn't matter. It's what you do with it that counts. K_'s observation makes sense: there's a higher share of train travellers among long-distance commuters than among short-distance commuters. His conclusion that local traffic is not on-par with other forms of traffic seems legitimate. Obviously, a lack of a solid S-bahn network is a factor in this, but so are numerous other reasons, some of which are specific to the Belgian context (heavily centralized service economy, saturated railway corridor in central Brussels, disproportionate fiscal benefits for company cars and car use in general,...).
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