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Eastern Palaces 74 33.04%
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Old January 3rd, 2011, 03:41 PM   #181
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True Word! Same here in Germany (Berlin City Castle and countless residences, destroyed by the communist government)

But I think it is actually not correct to count the Forbidden City as one Palace, for it includes 3000 of them. On the other hand, they also call it the Emperor's Palace...
The Forbidden City really is one palace, rather than lump all the rooms together into one block the emperors had the luxury of creating pavilions for each function - there are 980 interconnected pavilions, ranging from harems to servants quarters, court document stores to ceremonial halls etc. They really are all unified, porous and interconnected. No outsider was allowed in the Forbidden City (hence it's name), and very few could leave either. Any man caught who wasnt a eunuch/ invited was executed on the spot.
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the large temples and gates that lead to the inner compound (surrounded by green in the pic below) - Zhongshan, Tiananmen, Worker's park etc is not counted as the Forbidden City, as they are not within the enclosing walls and moat, despite that they are still conjoined as buildings (same applies with Jingshan behind). Yellow roofs distinguish the royal colours btw.




Also there were hundreds of other palaces, in separate locations across the capital, that of course arent counted, that belonged to princelings and courtiers. The '3000' mentioned was the number of smaller palaces and temples the whole city had right up till 1920 (with Forbidden City counted as one).


NB On the left of the Forbidden City is another palace complex, that is completely off limits to any visitors or cameras, and often many maps - the 'new Forbidden City' that is the HQ of the Communist Party, Zhongnanhai, a Qing Dynasty palatial retreat built around a lake and surrounded by compound walls:




From the outside, other than the walls, all you can see is this gate:
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There are in fact thus 2 Forbidden City style govt HQs in Beijing, one that has become 'The Palace Museum' and the other that still works, and is off limits to commoners. Just like how the Forbidden City used to function inside the walls there are residences, schools, entertainment, offices and relaxation for the elite. You would never know otherwise.

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Old January 3rd, 2011, 09:41 PM   #182
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Nunnery Quadrangle, Uxmal, Yucatan

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Old January 4th, 2011, 02:07 AM   #183
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All the photos are just gorgeous! What glorious architectural examples of elegance, opulence, and majesty!

I'm just drooling ...

Here in the US there are no palaces. Some mansions and villas, yes, but not a single palace; this is a republic and we never had royalty.

Two wonderful and magnificent Asian palaces I visited that have not been mentioned in this thread is the Bang Pa In Palace in Ayutthaya, Thailand, and also the Maharaja of Mysore Palacein Mysore, India.
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Old January 4th, 2011, 09:00 AM   #184
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do you know anything about the Chengdu Imperial Palace that used to stand where the current Tianfu Sqaure/Mao statue is?

(Tianfu Square, the centre of Chengdu city)

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I read that there use to be a imperial palace here much like how the Forbidden City is the centre of Beijing.

I can't seem to find much about it online except for the same few statements that don't mention much. There doesn't seem to be any paintings/photos either on this. I wonder what it looked like - a palace like the Forbidden City but with Sichuanese style... that would be incredible
here is some links about the chengdu imperial palace but it's not much:

http://www.chengduliving.com/guide-t...tianfu-square/

heres another one:
http://www.marimari.com/content/chin...engdu/pg1.html
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"There is a rampart 20 kilometers in length, which encloses the rectangular Old City with the viceroy’s palace, which was built in the 14th Century, at its center. The Cultural Revolution destroyed what remained of the city walls however, and the palace was replaced with a Soviet styled palace of Socialism."
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Old January 4th, 2011, 09:08 AM   #185
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wow, Ive never heard about that one. Destroyed in the Cultural Revolution grrrr..... If it was so recent they need to rebuilt that.

Nanjing also had a vast palace, the Stone palace I think.
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Old January 4th, 2011, 09:12 AM   #186
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Chongqing also had a palace built (it was the wartime capital) - the 'Palace of the People', then a city hall after the war, and now a ginormous hotel:




I think it's the biggest Chinese roof in mainland China (there's a bigger one in Taiwan)



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Old January 4th, 2011, 09:38 AM   #187
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wow, Ive never heard about that one. Destroyed in the Cultural Revolution grrrr..... If it was so recent they need to rebuilt that.

Nanjing also had a vast palace, the Stone palace I think.
yea, i've never heard about it until I went on the Chengdu thread here:
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showth...=564489&page=8 where someone mentioned something about it.

theres absolutely no resources i can find on it online... weird
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Old January 4th, 2011, 09:49 AM   #188
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Belvedere Palace - Vienna - Austria

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The extensive Belvedere complex consists of two magnificent Baroque palaces the Upper and Lower Belvedere, the Orangery, and the Palace Stables. The buildings are set in a stunning Baroque park landscape in the 3rd district of Vienna, south-east of the city centre. It houses the Belvedere museum. The grounds are set on a gentle gradient and include decorative tiered fountains and cascades, Baroque sculptures, and majestic wrought iron gates. The Baroque palace complex was built as a summer residence for Prince Eugene of Savoy. The Belvedere was built during a period of much construction in Vienna, which at the time was both the imperial capital and home to the ruling dynasty. Many of the city's most opulent edifices date from this era. The buildings commissioned by Prince Eugene, in particular the Belvedere, number among them.
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Old January 4th, 2011, 10:46 AM   #189
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Peleş Castle - Sinaia - Romania

Not the largest, but definitively really interesting. Combines architectural beauty and the serenity of nature

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The first architect was the German Johannes Schultz (1876–1883), later to be followed by Karel Liman, who was more easily swayed to enhance the castle after King Carol's plans. Later additions were made between 1893 and 1914 by the Czech architect Karel Liman, who added designed the towers, including the main central tower, 66 m in height.
By form and function, Peleş is truly a palace but affectionately and consistently called a castle instead, by all. Its architectural style is a Neo-Renaissance of romantic inspiration that can find a correspondent in 19th century ideals with the monumental Gothic Revival of Schloss Neuschwanstein in Bavaria, ironically called a castle as well. A Saxon influence can be observed in the interior courtyard facades that have rich and ornate fachwerk similar to northern Europe alpine architecture and allegorical hand painted murals. Interior decoration is mostly a Baroque influence with heavy carved woods and exquisite fabrics.

The collection of arms and armour has over 4000 pieces.
Peleş Castle has 3200 sq. meters of floor plan, over 170 rooms,30 bathrooms, many with dedicated themes from world cultures (in similar fashion with other Romanian palaces, like Cotroceni Palace for example), themes that can vary by function (offices, libraries, armouries, art galleries) or by style (Florentine, Turkish, Moorish, French, Imperial) all extremely lavishly furnished and decorated to the slightest detail. The establishment hosts one of the finest collections of art in East and Central Europe, consisting of statues, paintings, furniture, arms and armour, gold, silver, stained glass, ivory, fine china, tapestries and rugs; the collection of arms and armour has over 4000 pieces, divided between Eastern and Western war, ceremonial or hunting spreading over four centuries in history. Oriental rugs come from the finest sources: Bukhara, Mosul, Isparta, Saruk and Smirna, porcelain from Sèvres and Meissen, leather from Córdoba but perhaps the most acclaimed are the hand painted stained glass vitralios, mostly Swiss .






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Old January 4th, 2011, 11:27 AM   #190
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as a chinese ,i think western style looks better, chinese best palaces built before ming dynasty,but 99% are gone.
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Old January 4th, 2011, 03:11 PM   #191
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as a chinese ,i think western style looks better, chinese best palaces built before ming dynasty,but 99% are gone.
I personally can't say outright that I prefer one over the other. It is a case-by-case basis. Many Western and Eastern palaces strike me as altogether vulgar, while many others (both Western and Eastern) show great refinement.

Rather than talking about which is better (a pointless proposition, IMO), it would be more sensible to discuss which ones on either side epitomize the very best in palace architecture.

P.S. I love your avatar, BTW. A famille rose brush pot?
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as a chinese ,i think western style looks better, chinese best palaces built before ming dynasty,but 99% are gone.
Eastern palaces are just in China and other far eastern countries.
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Old January 4th, 2011, 05:25 PM   #193
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Awesome thread. Feast for the eyes really.

And an entirely valid point-
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Rather than talking about which is better (a pointless proposition, IMO), it would be more sensible to discuss which ones on either side epitomize the very best in palace architecture.
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Aliqapu Palace, Isfahan:

It was probably the world's tallest multi-floored tower 500 years ago, the wonder of this building is in the the sixth floor which is known as Music Room where deep circular niches are found in the walls, having not only aesthetic value, but also acoustic.













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OMG that is so ugly, nearly modern.
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You're joking rite?
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You're joking rite?
He's either joking, or has an under-developed sense of aesthetics.

Every major authority (both eastern and western) has cited the Music Room of the Aliqapu palace in Isfahan as a masterpiece.
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Every major authority (both eastern and western) has cited the Music Room of the Aliqapu palace in Isfahan as a masterpiece.
True. I watched a documentary on this palace som time ago and the Music room seen in HD is indeed really interesting - an architectural masterpiece
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Old January 17th, 2011, 06:40 PM   #199
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And my favourite, a Renaissance-castle in central-Europa:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...chloss2008.jpg
Ah, great to see you picked Güstrow Castle. A beautiful renaissance masterpiece in my home region in Northern Germany.

Though there might be more impressive ones, Schloss Güstrow is really well proportioned and decently detailed.

I took this shot in 2008, showing the courtyard with its arcades:



http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Fi...w_Schloss1.jpg

Rare example of a renaissance garden:

http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Datei:G...oss%26Park.JPG
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