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View Poll Results: Which one is better?
Eastern Palaces 74 33.04%
Western Palaces 150 66.96%
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Old October 20th, 2010, 11:22 PM   #101
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^coz its been Western palaces the last 4 pages...
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Old October 20th, 2010, 11:39 PM   #102
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no, i just think its silly to have palaces from India, Iran, China ETC all grouped up in the same category.
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Old October 21st, 2010, 11:49 AM   #103
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ah yep, I agree - completely divergent styles and histories
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Old October 22nd, 2010, 01:20 AM   #104
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I think the number of palaces in Asia is more than the population of Europe!! Palaces were being built in Asia thousands years before that Europeans started to build small houses for themselves, even modern European palaces can be said to be just some small buildings in comparison to some ancient Asian palaces, like Persepolis which has a floor area of 125,000 sq. meters and was built by some millions workers from almost all known ancient countries in 180 years.
I was watching nice pictures of the thread, and did read your comment that disappointed me very much compared to what you usually show us. I think you was simply in a bad mood, it happens.

But really, i would recommand you to read what was the Knossos Palace for Minoan Civilization. It is the single palace of its time to have independent bathrooms with hot and cold water systems, flushing toilets and bathtubs, and all this in a building of 1300 rooms. There was also an ingenious heating system.
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Old October 22nd, 2010, 02:59 AM   #105
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Old October 22nd, 2010, 07:05 PM   #106
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Wouldnt it be most common for people to vote for the style they are most used to, therefore i vote western as they are often individual buildings rather than sprawling interconnected towns, i wonder how large the urban area was around these so called palaces (not big in my guess).
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Old October 22nd, 2010, 11:16 PM   #107
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Old October 22nd, 2010, 11:57 PM   #108
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i vote western as they are often individual buildings rather than sprawling interconnected towns, i wonder how large the urban area was around these so called palaces (not big in my guess).
??? Those Eastern palaces are NOT sprawling interconnected towns. Many of them - the ones that have survived at least - are villas and summer retreats. You have to remember the whole imperial court would move between the seasons between the winter and summer palaces - and in those days this included harems of thousands of women, thousands of eunuch servants, and of course the hundreds of royal children. Hence why they are so big and rambling.
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Old October 24th, 2010, 04:34 AM   #109
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The Royal court of France would move around between its palaces, taking most of the furniture with them as well, with small skeleton crews maintaing vacant palaces. Asian palaces seem to lack a unified front, displaying the wealth of the soverign and are more castles with inner courtyards and gardens, an example in Europe would Topkapi palace in istanbul, which was abandond for a more European style palace. There always seems to be an element of defence in Asian palaces, that was abandond in Europe and led to a flourish of detail and luxury.
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Old October 24th, 2010, 01:54 PM   #110
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I think youre starting to argue now the differences in design eg why are Eastern palaces not like Western palaces?? It's like saying why are European palaces one monochrome-block, rather than a complex leading to grand central buildings? There's no right and wrong (and neitgher is it limited to either Eastern or Western).

...and detail and luxury - you do realise Eastern palaces had ALOT of that right?

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Old October 24th, 2010, 02:01 PM   #111
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differences in palace design

monolith-block

eg Potala Palace - stacked high

384-656 ft tall, rises 1000ft above the valley floor with the mount it's on.
Inside (although heavily looted): golden roofs, 1,000 rooms, 10,000 shrines and about 200,000 statues.


www.mountainsoftravelphotos.com


complex:

Forbidden City

8700 rooms, 980 (interconnected) buildings, also heavily looted.


www.picschina.com


Entirely ransacked many times in its history. In the last looting in 1925, at the fall of the republic 678,000 of the finest art pieces were
transported to Taiwan which now forms the premier National Palace Museum outside Taipei - and this was only 1/4 that was taken and survived
the civil war - and even all of that was the remainder from 2 earlier lootings in 1860 and 1900. 'Only' 1 million pieces still remain at Beijing, but
mostly stored away, including over 50,000 paintings (in short a paintings collection alone that is 25% larger than the Louvre, and 25x larger than
the National Gallery). Walk through the 8 main halls in the complex now and they'll be empty.

Plus this was only the Winter Palace, much more art was destroyed and looted in the 3 successive Summer Palaces. The first in 1860 took 3500
British troops 3 full days to burn:

"We went out, and, after pillaging it, burned the whole place, destroying in a vandal-like manner most valuable property which [could] not be
replaced for four millions. We got upward of Ł48 apiece prize money...I have done well. The [local] people are very civil, but I think the grandees
hate us, as they must after what we did the Palace. You can scarcely imagine the beauty and magnificence of the places we burnt. It made
one’s heart sore to burn them; in fact, these places were so large, and we were so pressed for time, that we could not plunder them carefully.
Quantities of gold ornaments were burnt, considered as brass. It was wretchedly demoralising work for an army."


—Charles George Gordon

In 1900 this act was repeated in the new Summer Palace, and the imperial court permanently relocated to the 'austere' Forbidden City till 1924.

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Old October 24th, 2010, 02:25 PM   #112
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I'm not arguing why are they different at all, im pointing out that eastern palaces, as in your examples above, are defensive in their construction, while those in Europe lack that defensive value and therefore do not need to keep all the court confined into one enclosed space, and therefore why most palaces in Europe are surrounded by large historic cities.
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Most European palaces reached their present grandeur during the Age of Discovery and Colonization when Asia in general was on the decline, wealth being transferred from Asia to Europe rather than vice versa. Most of the magnificent palaces in India for example were left in ruins or had shrunk significantly even before colonial rule gained a firm foothold.
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Old October 24th, 2010, 02:46 PM   #114
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Basically all this loss is only a drop in an ocean, especially compared to what's been plundered from say India over the centuries, or the Khanate kingdoms. The national collections of Korea lost as recently under the Japanese and Korean war (including 5 imperial palace complexes in Seoul alone), Japan's national collection lost in the 1923 earthquake and WWII (including Tokyo's castle - the largest ever built- made up of 5 concentric rings of defences larger than the Forbidden City) . And don't even get me started on the Cultural Revolution or the end of the dynasty in 1925 - 3000 palaces and temples in Beijing reduced to 300 within that decade.
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Old October 24th, 2010, 03:02 PM   #115
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sorry, back to subject, a true survivor:

Yonghe or Lama Temple, Beijing - an administrative centre for court eunuchs, converted into a princeling's palace, and now a monastery/temple.
It was notably saved from the Cultural Revolution by the intervention of the prime minister then, Chou-Enlai:












The complex is about 1/2 km long




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Old October 24th, 2010, 03:41 PM   #116
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Europe -> Hungary -> Keszthely -> Festetics castle



















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