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Old January 1st, 2011, 02:17 PM   #161
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That is just massive. Huge sprawling repetitive buildings aren't necessarily very interesting. Just indicates the obscene amount of resources at their disposal.

That austere Japanese villa is much more endearing to look at.
The only thing interesting about the imperial villa is, actually how modern it is still looking. And while beauty is in the of the beholder, I think it is only the garden that makes is it any worth a trip maybe, but as for me, I have no idea why it should be even considered as an example of eastern architecture.

Another villa, more interesting than beautiful:



And my favourite, a Renaissance-castle in central-Europa:

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Old January 1st, 2011, 05:02 PM   #162
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The eastern palaces of course... NOT.
Leander you do realise many of the world's largest and most celebrated palaces do exist in Asia - it is actually a valid question. Check out pages 4 and 5.
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Leander you do realise many of the world's largest and most celebrated palaces do exist in Asia - it is actually a valid question. Check out pages 4 and 5.
As it suits for the oldest one of the still existing ancient cultures, but the question is though, which is better, as it means for me, now which one I'd choose for a residence. We Europeans admire something called elegance, when an estate or motorcar just matches to its environment like humans to nature. Special, but not artificial. The Asian palaces though, each a masterpiece of arts and craft, not try to unveil the secret of beauty, but to triumph over nature and its boundaries, not knowing, where they actual are or end.
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Old Summer Palace, and the worlds largest gardens ever created - made up of hundreds of pavilions on myriad island lakes.
It was looted and burned to the ground by Western troops in 1860.


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Old January 1st, 2011, 07:16 PM   #165
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The Old Summer Palace is bad example, because, as you know for sure, it included European-style (Rococo) palaces. At least one can say, that every culture has its masterpieces, and we better hope that we will get old enough to visit the best of them, in all parts of the world.

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Old January 1st, 2011, 07:21 PM   #166
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this massive forbidden city looking building complex was in the old summer palace??!!?!?!?!
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Old January 1st, 2011, 07:30 PM   #167
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Not the West, nor the East but the Middle!

As I said before Saadabad Palace Complex has an area of 410 hectares (1,013 acres) which can be said to be the largest palace in the world.

Sabz Palace in Saadabad, "Sabz" means Green, Referring to the rare greenish hued stone used to build this splendid palace.





























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Cyrus, do you have any sources or pictures to witness the size of Shavand Palace?
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Cyrus, do you have any sources or pictures to witness the size of Shavand Palace?
According to this Persian wiki page, the base area of this building is 1372 sq.m.
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According to this Persian wiki page, the base area of this building is 1272 sq.m.
Alright... any sources for the Wikipedia-Article maybe?
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Alright... any sources for the Wikipedia-Article maybe?
Ok, that wiki article seems to be a copy and paste from this website: http://radio.irib.ir/tehran/didaniview.php?ID=270 (Islamic Republic of Iran Broadcasting Website).
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Old January 1st, 2011, 10:44 PM   #173
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The Old Summer Palace is bad example, because, as you know for sure, it included European-style (Rococo) palaces. At least one can say, that every culture has its masterpieces, and we better hope that we will get old enough to visit the best of them, in all parts of the world.
Its one of the biggest losses in history - and yes, it included one Rococo pavilion, out of hundreds of Chinese ones, many built on manmade islands in a labyrinth of lakes. The gardens were the most extensive ever built, and the palace was actually the gilded, more ornate one in contrast to the 'austere' Forbidden City/ Winter Palace ('austere' here meaning millions of artworks and more paintings than the Louvre, so you can imagine what the Summer Palace must have been like). It took 3 days and nights to burn by 3500 British troops:

"We went out, and, after pillaging it, burned the whole place, destroying in a vandal-like manner most valuable property which [could] not be
replaced for four millions. We got upward of £48 apiece prize money...I have done well. The [local] people are very civil, but I think the grandees
hate us, as they must after what we did the Palace. You can scarcely imagine the beauty and magnificence of the places we burnt. It made
one’s heart sore to burn them; in fact, these places were so large, and we were so pressed for time, that we could not plunder them carefully.
Quantities of gold ornaments were burnt, considered as brass. It was wretchedly demoralising work for an army."


—Charles George Gordon 1860

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this massive forbidden city looking building complex was in the old summer palace??!!?!?!?!
No, after the Old Summer Palace was destroyed a new one was built - only to be wrecked a second time by Western troops in 1900. The current Summer Palace is thus the third, much smaller version (even though there are over 100 buildings), built at a separate location.

All that remains of the Old Summer Palace are the stonework archways of the rococo pavilion (the Chinese style ones were all wooden):



Although rebuilding has been discussed for decades the authorities decided to leave the ruins as a lesson to history. A few years ago Hangzhou, a city hundreds of miles away decided to plan a version as a theme park, much to the chagrin of the historians. A version of the rococo pavilion was also built in Shenzhen, to much controversy:



other pavilions from the original.



maps before and present:



overview. The royal families pretty much had palaces for each member, and for each function, and for each hour or whim - from contemplating the moon to formal eating, housing the royal harems to receiving state guests, storing court records to performing religious rites, dictating policy to sleeping. The Qing Court housed about 9000 people - actually down from the previous Ming Dynasty, which at it's height housed 10,000 royal concubines alone and 70,000 eunuch servants, mostly to look after the concubines:



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Old January 2nd, 2011, 06:24 AM   #175
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wow, this is very interesting history

esp these pictures



that is very sad that the old summer palaces are burnt down - beijing would have even more rich, beautiful buildings and would be even more impressive as a world city
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Seems like the Brits saw this thread coming and destroyed any evidence of China's imperial pomp

But it remains only a collection of palaces, I don't know if size should really matter in this debate. Otherwise...

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^matter of size? naaah....

Palace of Parliaments is massive yes, but the Forbidden City is still the worlds largest palace, by far, with 8x as many rooms, far bigger footprint and volume too.

In terms of one monolithic block, the Potala Palace is also larger.
(Palace of Parliaments: 270m x 240m x 86m tall, versus Potala: 400m x 350m x 117-200m tall).

And man, dont get me started on the ones lost to history, Xian lost palaces that were 3. 4.5 and 7x larger than the Forbidden City

The problem with the turn of dynasties in China (read: regime change), everything before it tends to get annihilated in the process, last seen in the Cultural Revolution. It's incalculable the amount of art and history that's gone up in flames purely for being representational of a former era... case in point, when China became a republic in 1912, by 1930 Beijing had 'reduced' the number of its palaces and temples from 3000 to 300.

And that's not even mentioning the wars, such as the Taiping Rebellion of 1850-64, through which almost every major city was destroyed and was the worlds second bloodiest and most destructive war (after WWII). Again Its a complete wonder anything survived the 19th century, let alone the 20th. And now of course, the latest round in cultural destruction being the 21st century mass modernisation.

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Small but still a marvel:
Castle Sigmaringen , Germany:

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^matter of size? naaah....

Palace of Parliaments is massive yes, but the Forbidden City is still the worlds largest palace, by far, with 8x as many rooms, far bigger footprint and volume too.

In terms of one monolithic block, the Potala Palace is also larger.
(Palace of Parliaments: 270m x 240m x 86m tall, versus Potala: 400m x 350m x 117-200m tall).

And man, dont get me started on the ones lost to history, Xian lost palaces that were 3. 4.5 and 7x larger than the Forbidden City

The problem with the turn of dynasties in China (read: regime change), everything before it tends to get annihilated in the process, last seen in the Cultural Revolution. It's incalculable the amount of art and history that's gone up in flames purely for being representational of a former era... case in point, when China became a republic in 1912, by 1930 Beijing had 'reduced' the number of its palaces and temples from 3000 to 300.

And that's not even mentioning the wars, such as the Taiping Rebellion of 1850-64, through which almost every major city was destroyed and was the worlds second bloodiest and most destructive war (after WWII). Again Its a complete wonder anything survived the 19th century, let alone the 20th. And now of course, the latest round in cultural destruction being the 21st century mass modernisation.
True Word! Same here in Germany (Berlin City Castle and countless residences, destroyed by the communist government)

But I think it is actually not correct to count the Forbidden City as one Palace, for it includes 3000 of them. On the other hand, they also call it the Emperor's Palace...

Another Roman palace, an Emperor's Residence, too, the Diocletian Palace:



Today, only the ruins give a hint of its grace...
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^matter of size? naaah....

Palace of Parliaments is massive yes, but the Forbidden City is still the worlds largest palace, by far, with 8x as many rooms, far bigger footprint and volume too.

In terms of one monolithic block, the Potala Palace is also larger.
(Palace of Parliaments: 270m x 240m x 86m tall, versus Potala: 400m x 350m x 117-200m tall).

And man, dont get me started on the ones lost to history, Xian lost palaces that were 3. 4.5 and 7x larger than the Forbidden City

The problem with the turn of dynasties in China (read: regime change), everything before it tends to get annihilated in the process, last seen in the Cultural Revolution. It's incalculable the amount of art and history that's gone up in flames purely for being representational of a former era... case in point, when China became a republic in 1912, by 1930 Beijing had 'reduced' the number of its palaces and temples from 3000 to 300.

And that's not even mentioning the wars, such as the Taiping Rebellion of 1850-64, through which almost every major city was destroyed and was the worlds second bloodiest and most destructive war (after WWII). Again Its a complete wonder anything survived the 19th century, let alone the 20th. And now of course, the latest round in cultural destruction being the 21st century mass modernisation.
do you know anything about the Chengdu Imperial Palace that used to stand where the current Tianfu Sqaure/Mao statue is?

(Tianfu Square, the centre of Chengdu city)

image from google

I read that there use to be a imperial palace here much like how the Forbidden City is the centre of Beijing.

I can't seem to find much about it online except for the same few statements that don't mention much. There doesn't seem to be any paintings/photos either on this. I wonder what it looked like - a palace like the Forbidden City but with Sichuanese style... that would be incredible
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