Atlanta, GA: Truly World Class? - Page 6

Trae · October 14th, 2007, 01:44 AM

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Originally Posted by LLoydGeorge

... that LA is not world class. It doesn't feel like a city. It feels like a sprawling post WWII suburb that one can't even walk around but has to drive everywhere.

Puff, puff, pass.

krazeeboi · October 14th, 2007, 07:45 AM

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Originally Posted by LLoydGeorge

LA isn't really a traditional city. It's new and spread out.

And it's still a juggernaut. As a matter of fact, it's "untraditionalness" is its claim to fame. I love Los Angeles for what it is.

VZN · October 14th, 2007, 06:19 PM

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Originally Posted by LLoydGeorge

LA isn't really a traditional city. It's new and spread out. It's really like a huge, sprawling post WWII suburb. As for Chicago, it's not really international, and therefore, doesn't qualify. Also, it's hard to even consider a city that's only 150 years old as world class. While NY is "new" compared to London and Paris, it has been around for sufficiently long. It was a thriving city for 200 years by the time Napoleon rose to fame. Chicago, by contrast, still had not even been established.

Los Angeles's conception began in 1781, making it over 225 years old. Look it up. It's also one of the very few cities in the world that has been under the rule of not 1, not 2, but 3 different countries since it's conception.

As far as the rest of your posts:

dante-sim · October 16th, 2007, 07:06 AM

Atlanta is a huge economic power and is the largest growing metropolitan area in the United States. It is progressive and diverse. It has created some strong cultural elements and is leading the American stage in post 2000 densification. When I see a 100 foot stone arch under construction and I see the plans for the Symphony Center, it is obvious that this city is ready to arrive.

There is nothing plastic about Atlanta. It really has the world's largest aquarium. It really has the worlds busiest airport. It really is home to the third most fortune 500 companies in the US (ahead of Chicago and LA). There is no coastline or port here driving growth, just the drive to become the best city it can be.

Not only is Atlanta a cultural and business center, it is also a technological center. It hosts the forth rated engineering school in the world and is home to the CDC and the world's largest nanotechnology research lab (U/C).

Then comes the population. Atlanta has about 5.2 million people up from 4.1 million in 2000. If that isn't enough for you, wait a few years and check again. All these elements combine to make Atlanta a world-scale city. No one would say it is the best, most influential, or most referenced city, but it is on the world stage albeit as a newcomer.

Just because the United States is super-developed and has several large cities doesn't mean that we have to pick one or two to be called world class.

Trae · October 16th, 2007, 01:33 PM

About those Fortune companies, I have always thought that there were more in Chicago and LA. Guess that those companies on those metro areas are outside the city limits. Within the city limits though, there is a big drop between two and three, and Dallas has gained a few companies, so that ranking may change. I also think that you forgot to mention the trains in Downtown Atlanta that carry all of that cargo from Savannah. Also in 2000, Atlanta was actually already at 4.4 million.

Everything else you said was on target though.

dante-sim · October 16th, 2007, 04:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Trae

About those Fortune companies, I have always thought that there were more in Chicago and LA. Guess that those companies on those metro areas are outside the city limits. Within the city limits though, there is a big drop between two and three, and Dallas has gained a few companies, so that ranking may change. I also think that you forgot to mention the trains in Downtown Atlanta that carry all of that cargo from Savannah. Also in 2000, Atlanta was actually already at 4.4 million.

Everything else you said was on target though.

Well, in terms of the port situation, Savannah is 220 miles away from Atlanta so it makes for an incredibly inefficient international shipping point compared to coastal cities. The point I was making was that it is impressive that Atlanta became the city it is despite that disadvantage. As for population, I tend to just go ahead and use the historical numbers than the revised counts. The revisions always seem much more motivated.

You're up early by the way. You usually do this before class?

Trae · October 16th, 2007, 10:32 PM

No not really. Class for me starts at 7:30 AM so I am usually up by 6 AM or so.

Rail Claimore · October 17th, 2007, 03:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Trae

About those Fortune companies, I have always thought that there were more in Chicago and LA. Guess that those companies on those metro areas are outside the city limits. Within the city limits though, there is a big drop between two and three, and Dallas has gained a few companies, so that ranking may change.

Everything else you said was on target though.

LA metro doesn't have that many Fortune 500s for its size. Generally, the top 4 metro areas year after year for Fortune 500s are NY, Chicago, SF Bay Area, and Houston, in that order.

TexasBoi · October 17th, 2007, 04:47 AM

Atlanta is a powerhouse as well as Houston, Dallas, and Miami as far as the south goes.

Dallascaper · October 17th, 2007, 05:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Rail Claimore

LA metro doesn't have that many Fortune 500s for its size. Generally, the top 4 metro areas year after year for Fortune 500s are NY, Chicago, SF Bay Area, and Houston, in that order.

For 2007, DFW is 4th, Houston 5th. Link

Dallas lost one F500 this week when TXU went private

Westsidelife · October 17th, 2007, 05:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Rail Claimore

LA metro doesn't have that many Fortune 500s for its size. Generally, the top 4 metro areas year after year for Fortune 500s are NY, Chicago, SF Bay Area, and Houston, in that order.

It's New York City, Chicago, Houston, and Dallas, in that order. After that, it's a tie between Los Angeles and Philadelphia.

You don't group San Jose with San Francisco. They are two seperate metro areas.

Rail Claimore · October 17th, 2007, 08:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Westsidelife

You don't group San Jose with San Francisco. They are two seperate metro areas.

Since when? Last I checked they were in the same CSA and development was uninterrupted between the two. By your definition (and a lot of others'), DC and Baltimore are separate metro areas... and so are the different parts of the LA megalopolis.

Westsidelife · October 17th, 2007, 09:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Rail Claimore

Since when? Last I checked they were in the same CSA and development was uninterrupted between the two. By your definition (and a lot of others'), DC and Baltimore are separate metro areas... and so are the different parts of the LA megalopolis.

They are two seperate MSAs.

Trae · October 17th, 2007, 01:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Dallascaper

For 2007, DFW is 4th, Houston 5th. Link

Dallas lost one F500 this week when TXU went private

So both are tied now.

Dallascaper · October 17th, 2007, 03:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Trae

So both are tied now.

No, DFW has 24, Houston has 23, and Atlanta has 22. Dallas gained at least one F500 with Comerica bank moving from Detroit, and I think another F500 moved to Dallas earlier in the year. But the way companies move up and down the F500 list, we have no way of knowing where each metro stands until the next list comes out.

Too bad the F500 only covers public companies; it is an incomplete picture to say the least. Look at TXU: The company goes private, Dallas loses a notch on the F500 list, but the company and all of its employees are still in downtown doing their thing.

Trae · October 17th, 2007, 07:05 PM

I think it was just Comerica, and what company did Houston lose (it wasn't Haliburton)? Houston is still at 24.

TexasStar · October 17th, 2007, 08:03 PM

There's been a lot of talk the last few days on CNN about Atlanta's water woes. Will water be the thing that finally slows future growth in Atlanta?

PiperPig · October 18th, 2007, 04:53 AM

The water situation has been brewing for a long time. We must conserve water in Georgia. It can be done. In the meantime, we just need lots and lots of rain.

gwiATLeman · October 18th, 2007, 03:24 PM

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Originally Posted by TexasStar

There's been a lot of talk the last few days on CNN about Atlanta's water woes. Will water be the thing that finally slows future growth in Atlanta?

Yeah, if it never rains again. The problem today is due to fact that the area is suffering through a 100 year drought.

The long term water situation can be dealt with if the state would actually devise a plan for future growth and future water needs.

blueb73 · October 24th, 2007, 03:50 AM

Gold Club.

nuff said!

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October 16th, 2007, 07:06 AM	#104
dante-sim Registered User Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 65 Likes (Received): 0	Atlanta is a huge economic power and is the largest growing metropolitan area in the United States. It is progressive and diverse. It has created some strong cultural elements and is leading the American stage in post 2000 densification. When I see a 100 foot stone arch under construction and I see the plans for the Symphony Center, it is obvious that this city is ready to arrive. There is nothing plastic about Atlanta. It really has the world's largest aquarium. It really has the worlds busiest airport. It really is home to the third most fortune 500 companies in the US (ahead of Chicago and LA). There is no coastline or port here driving growth, just the drive to become the best city it can be. Not only is Atlanta a cultural and business center, it is also a technological center. It hosts the forth rated engineering school in the world and is home to the CDC and the world's largest nanotechnology research lab (U/C). Then comes the population. Atlanta has about 5.2 million people up from 4.1 million in 2000. If that isn't enough for you, wait a few years and check again. All these elements combine to make Atlanta a world-scale city. No one would say it is the best, most influential, or most referenced city, but it is on the world stage albeit as a newcomer. Just because the United States is super-developed and has several large cities doesn't mean that we have to pick one or two to be called world class.

October 16th, 2007, 01:33 PM	#105
Trae Registered User Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Metro Houston Posts: 1,815 Likes (Received): 0	About those Fortune companies, I have always thought that there were more in Chicago and LA. Guess that those companies on those metro areas are outside the city limits. Within the city limits though, there is a big drop between two and three, and Dallas has gained a few companies, so that ranking may change. I also think that you forgot to mention the trains in Downtown Atlanta that carry all of that cargo from Savannah. Also in 2000, Atlanta was actually already at 4.4 million. Everything else you said was on target though.

October 16th, 2007, 10:32 PM	#107
Trae Registered User Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Metro Houston Posts: 1,815 Likes (Received): 0	No not really. Class for me starts at 7:30 AM so I am usually up by 6 AM or so.

October 17th, 2007, 04:47 AM	#109
TexasBoi Texas-NoVA Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: NoVA Posts: 2,264 Likes (Received): 0	Atlanta is a powerhouse as well as Houston, Dallas, and Miami as far as the south goes.

October 17th, 2007, 07:05 PM	#116
Trae Registered User Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Metro Houston Posts: 1,815 Likes (Received): 0	I think it was just Comerica, and what company did Houston lose (it wasn't Haliburton)? Houston is still at 24.

October 18th, 2007, 04:53 AM	#118
PiperPig Deep South Pillsbury Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Charleston, SC/ Augusta, GA Posts: 570 Likes (Received): 0	The water situation has been brewing for a long time. We must conserve water in Georgia. It can be done. In the meantime, we just need lots and lots of rain.

October 24th, 2007, 03:50 AM	#120
blueb73 Registered User Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 116 Likes (Received): 0	Gold Club. nuff said!