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View Poll Results: Eastern Castles vs. Western Castles
Eastern Castles 22 22.00%
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Old May 26th, 2005, 01:30 AM   #41
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Lol no point in comparison. Western castles win by a million.

This is like comparing Hadrian's wall to the Great Wall.
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Old May 26th, 2005, 01:46 AM   #42
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EASTERN CASTLES/PALACES ARE MORE LIVELY AND ATTRACTIVE..
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Old May 26th, 2005, 04:57 AM   #43
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DAMN!!!! I'm impressed to death with Europe! Great castles!!
EUROPE rocks the hell out!



by the way, it's very simple: no comparasion.. total humiliation from the western ones
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Old May 26th, 2005, 05:03 AM   #44
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Old May 26th, 2005, 05:20 AM   #45
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wow ur childish. a lot of the indian "castles" look more like palaces to me..And they are indeed more lively. I can't really compare though. they are both different and the western castles are beautiful so are the japanese and other eastern ones.
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Old May 26th, 2005, 05:20 AM   #46
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Well that's your opinion I suppose. But if you look at the details of Western vs. Eastern, or basically blocks arranged into towers vs. stone that is hand carved into DETAILED works of art, there's a difference.
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Old May 26th, 2005, 06:10 AM   #47
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Im not childish. The fact is that there is no comparasion. Like many already said here, these eastern ones look more like palaces then real castles. And the european ones, wow! , no comments about their beauty. Speechless, gorgeous. I cant even list here the castles I got impressed. The gardens (mainly Dunrobin Castle and Drummond Castle) were a spectacle apart.
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Old May 26th, 2005, 02:58 PM   #48
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Forgot to add this classic castle for England.
The Tower of London, keeping our great city safe for centuries, now home of the priceless Crown Jewels.






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Old May 26th, 2005, 03:15 PM   #49
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India is very well connected with the western part of the world, and the violence it brought upon earth for the longest time Greek,Persian, Arabic, Turkic, Mongoloid , Portugese, French, English infiltration made Indi very well aware of violence..and what an irony Indian people are called the most peaceful (or coward in the eyes of infiltrators) ..

So it would make sense for them to acquire the precautions and preperations when the time comes to step up and defend yourself...When I said Asia, I meant the people who didnt too much connection with the REAL WESTERN world From Persia to England in terms of understanding the real politic..
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Old May 27th, 2005, 06:10 PM   #50
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Here are just a few of some of the 100s of castles and forts of Maharashtra state, India.






































It's a misconception to say that castle or military architecture is alien to India. It's a country older than Europe with an equally violent past.

Quite frankly, the cities and countryside are almost littered with forts, palaces and castles from bygone states and empires.

Why, those photos Hindustani posted of the bewildering number castles were, except for the Mysore Palace, from only 4 cities of one state of India alone! And the photos he posted only account for about 1/3 the castles and forts in those cities.

Each state has a vividly different architecture, and it is reflected in the thousands of forts, palaces and castles in India.


Just because the West is oblivious to the fact and to the scale of these structures, doesn't mean they are an oddity.

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Old May 29th, 2005, 01:40 AM   #51
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Western castles are much better. East doesn't really have much castles to begin with. But I generally hate castles, cold, dark, stony, very unattractive.
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Old May 29th, 2005, 07:15 PM   #52
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Germany,KASSEL
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Old May 30th, 2005, 01:00 AM   #53
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A few from Denmark..

Frederiksborg Castle:




Rosenborg Castle:



Kronborg Castle (The castle of Hamlet):




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Old May 30th, 2005, 05:38 AM   #54
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/\ same + more from Denmark (pictures not mine .. found somewhere on the internet)

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Kronborg Castle (Hamlet's Castle)


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Old May 30th, 2005, 05:52 AM   #55
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well in far east not many castles were built. instead they built walls and fortresses in strategic places like side of a valley etc. they in fact were better than castles because it would be shitty for the attackers to use siege weapons and becasue of their locations garrison of 100 would stand against 2000 etc
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Old June 1st, 2005, 09:26 PM   #56
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i miss pictures of carcassonne, the louvre and versailles ;-)
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Old June 6th, 2005, 07:55 PM   #57
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All are great.
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Old June 20th, 2014, 10:56 AM   #58
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This thread might be dead already but I feel the need to say something, eastern countries do not have the concept of castle like what europeans say. The only country in asia that has castle is japan. It's same thing as comparing monastery, eastern monastery vs western monastery, I believe european doesn't have the concept of monastery, because monastery is not an european thing, whereas china has heaps. So there is no place to compare which one is better. since each continent has different concepts.

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Old January 15th, 2016, 02:41 PM   #59
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This is an interesting subject. As far as appearance goes, that's subjective of course, but in terms of being a defensive structure, i would argue that Japanese castles are superior. I say "Japanese" because Japan is the only country with fortress analogous to European Castles. That's probably because other asian nations, like China and Mongolia, were unified with a strong central government, thus there was no need for castles. The Japanese also stopped building castles after the Tokugawa rose to power.


First let's see the similarities: both european and Japanese castles were built primarily with stone and wood, and completely surrounded by stone walls. Also they typically had a number of towers and turrets, with a central keep which served as a residence for the feudal lord.

Now, the Japanese stone masonry was fundamentally different from the European because it didn't use any kind of cement/mortar to hold the stones together. The stones were simply fitted one atop the other. This is more complex and laborious, since cement allows an easy fit, but the reason the japanese did it this way is because of earthquakes, which would break the cement and cause the building to collapse. The japanese built walls sloped inward, sort of like a pyramid, this way even with earthquakes the structure can remain intact. Edo CAstle, which is currently the Imperial Palace, was one of the only intact structures after the Kanto earthquake, precisely because of this "loose stone"foundation.


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European castles, on the other hand, had vertical walls made of mortar and stone. This allowed vertical walls and outward facing overhangs. However, they are very susceptible to shock damage, because if you crack the mortar, the whole thing comes down. This is compounded by the vertical design, which means that any imbalance in the lower sections will cause the upper sections to collapse, as opposed to a pyramid like structure which can take a lot more damage.


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Europe doesn't suffer from earthquakes like Japan, but siege engines could collapse a wall. The first defense against that was the moat, which the japanese also used. The moat is a ditch, sometimes filled with water. It was not highly effective, however , because they could be relatively easily filled with dirt. The workers would be protected by roofs as in siege rams.

If the moat was overcome, rams would be used against the walls and gates. Rams would be very ineffective against japanese walls, first because of the "loose stone" structure which made them shock resistant,but also because the fact that the walls are inclined means that part of the energy of the blow is deflected upwards.

Western castles would use overhangs on the top of walls, protected by parapets, with trap doors and machicolations, which allowed them to drop missiles on assailants and rams. However, these devices could be overcome with siege towers, which were vertical rolling structures that would be positioned parallel to the wall and allow soldiers to invade the walls without having to break them. Once the invaders got to the top of the tower, they had an excellent position of attack. Siege towers wouldn't work in Japanese castles because the inward inclination wouldn't allow them to reach the top of the wall. Japanese castles also used platforms to drop missiles, but they were never permanent, and would be retrieved after used, denying the enemy a position of advantage.


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Now, if the perimeter was breached in any way, we again had a different situation in Japan vs Europe. And this points to a fundamental difference in philosophy. Western castles were based on the concept of "build the strongest walls you can, protect them from damage and stay inside". This means that, if the walls or gate are breached, you're pretty much done. The feudal lord and his family could resist a few hours at the keep, but the battle was lost.

The Japanese philosophy was to transform the castle in a battle ground, which means that design always allowed for possibility of invasion. Typically, Japanese castles would have several different buildings scattered around, with inner walls and ditches. Thus, if the enemy did get inside the walls, they would still have obstacles to overcome. Gates, for instance, were connected to corridors that would lead to the next gate after 90 degree turns, slowed down the assailants and provided points of defense. Instead of finding a large patio inside the walls, as in a western castle, the enemy would find tight corridors which would cause a bottleneck effect. This would have the same effect as the Thermopylae battle, where a few men could resist many. Some of the corridors would actually lead to dead ends.


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This is a principle which you can find in Sun Tzu's The Art of War: choose the battleground to your advantage. So breaking the wall/ gate would be only the first step.

Some people have commented here that Japanese castles look more like "palaces" than military structures. They certainly were built with an eye on aesthetics, but they were always primarily defensive structures. The reason they have earthenware tiles was for fireproofing. The white painted walls are fireproof plaster. This made the castles virtually immune to incendiary arrows. Western castles, on the other hand, usually had wooden roofs.

Also, it's important to keep in mind that the pictures of Japanese castles usually show only a tower or the keep, but in fact they were always a complex of buildings. Some of the largest castles are form Japan, despite the scarcity of land. The largest castle in the world is probably the Edo Castle. It's not considered a castle because it was turned into the imperial palace in the 19th century, and many of its towers demolished, but it was originally built as a castle, with 16km of 10m walls.

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Japanese castles, in fact, were rarely destroyed. Typically, they would be besieged, and the enemy army would have effective control of the surrounding lands, until the defending lord decide to go to battle. The castles were seem only as a temporary shelter.


Japan at one point had thousands of castles, but after the Tokugawa rose to power they determined that each daimyo could only have 1 castle. Then, in the Meiji restoration, some castles were demolished or transformed into other buildings.
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^interesting. How would Japanese castles fare against artillery like what would be used in Europe at, say, 1600?
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