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Old May 19th, 2005, 01:45 PM   #1
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A bigger better WTC

I agree with Trump 100 percent on this one.Lets build them again!!!!


An article from the Sydney Morning Hearald.


Trump offers plan to rebuild twin towers
May 19, 2005 - 6:43AM


New York property tycoon Donald Trump unveiled his design Wednesday for "bigger, stronger and better" twin towers to replace the World Trade Centre originals destroyed on September 11, 2001.

Denouncing the existing plans for rebuilding Ground Zero as the "worst pile of crap architecture I've ever seen," Trump argued that erecting two new, even taller twin towers was the only valid response to the terrorists.

The consummate self-promoter, known as "The Donald," showed off his proposal just weeks after the official master design was put on hold because of security concerns surrounding the centrepiece 1,776 foot Freedom Tower.

Describing the Freedom Tower as an "empty skeleton," Trump said its construction would be a capitulation.

"If we rebuild the World Trade Centre in the form of a skeleton ... the terrorists win. It's that bad," he told reporters gathered in the lobby of his Fifth Avenue Trump Towers headquarters in Manhattan.

The design put forward by Trump and his structural engineer Kenneth Gardner, essentially offers a modified version of the original twin towers, erected in the early 1970s.

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AdvertisementThe replacements would be at least 1,475-feet (449.6 m) tall, more than 100 feet (30.1 m) higher than their previous incarnations. The new North Tower would also boast a 383-foot (116.7 m) communications mast.

"It's bigger, it's stronger and it's better than the previous World Trade Centre, and it sets the right tone and the right attitude," Trump said, adding that some members of the public who had seen the model had been moved to tears.

Charles Wolf, whose wife was killed in the North Tower, was more circumspect in his appraisal of the model.

"It spooked me when I first saw it ... the idea of the towers rising again," Wolf said.

"I'm not saying it's right or wrong, but it's an interesting idea," he added.

The Trump-backed towers -- he promised not to attach his name to the buildings -- would employ a tube-within-a-tube design with improved fireproofing and larger stairwells.

Gardner said the structures would be able to withstand the kind of attacks that brought down the original towers on September 11, 2001 killing 2,479 people.

Ground Zero master planner Daniel Libeskind, branded an "egghead" by Trump over the design of the Freedom Tower, fired off a letter to the property tycoon this week, pointing out that he was not responsible for the building's problems.

The Polish-born architect stressed that the footprint and twisting shape of the tower were the work of David Childs, who was hired by Ground Zero developer Larry Silverstein to modify Libeskind's vision.

"I am sure that all of us, whatever the shape of our head or its decorative accessory agree that security is the paramount concern for the new tower," Libeskind wrote in a thinly-veiled dig at Trump's distinctive hairstyle.

In a report published in April, the New York Police Department voiced concerns that the planned location of the Freedom Tower was too close to Manhattan's Westside Highway.

A subsequent meeting between New York Mayor Michael Bloomberg, Governor George Pataki and police officials concluded that a new design was required.

"They should throw it all away," was Trump's assessment of the design rethink.

"This is what people want," he said of his own proposal. "It's a better memorial. It's a greater building. This is what the World Trade Centre was."

The Freedom Tower was originally scheduled to be topped out at the end of 2008 or the beginning of 2009.

The design of the tower, and indeed that of the entire Ground Zero redevelopment project, has been the source of bitter dispute -- between the architects involved and also the often competing interests of the victims' families, the developers and the politicians.

The tensions have arisen from the different priorities attached to the project, with some seeing a site of remembrance, others a future place of work and still more a symbol of rebirth.

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Old May 19th, 2005, 02:23 PM   #2
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Old May 19th, 2005, 02:29 PM   #3
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Trump compares Liebeskind's design with a skeleton, but Trump himself seems to be chasing ghosts. I still believe Foster's proposal was a good modern variation to the original theme. Also, the original World Trade Center had a very expressive vertical facade, which Trump dull windows really can't match.
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Old May 19th, 2005, 02:38 PM   #4
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^ I agree, i liked the vertical lines of the old towers.
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Old May 19th, 2005, 05:50 PM   #5
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Yeah, I'm not sure about the facade... but it's 10x better than Liebeskind's travesty of a design.
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Old May 19th, 2005, 06:26 PM   #6
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Trump compares Liebeskind's design with a skeleton, but Trump himself seems to be chasing ghosts. I still believe Foster's proposal was a good modern variation to the original theme. Also, the original World Trade Center had a very expressive vertical facade, which Trump dull windows really can't match.
maybe they can change the design of the windows!
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Old May 19th, 2005, 07:50 PM   #7
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maybe they can contact foster again!
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Old May 19th, 2005, 07:58 PM   #8
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Dare I hope? To restore the downtown skyline to it's former glory, THAT'S what we WANT Pataki/Bloomberg. Not that balless "Freedom Tower" . REBUILD THE TOWERS!!!
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Old May 19th, 2005, 07:59 PM   #9
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i love it.
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Old May 19th, 2005, 08:06 PM   #10
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I don't care much about the window design just as long as the twin towers is being rebuilt. It would heal many psychological wounds.

I also never liked the Freedom Tower design anyways. Perhaps, it would look good somewhere else around the world, but not in New York City.
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Old May 19th, 2005, 09:23 PM   #11
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Dare I hope? To restore the downtown skyline to it's former glory, THAT'S what we WANT Pataki/Bloomberg. Not that balless "Freedom Tower" . REBUILD THE TOWERS!!!

that's i want TOO!!!
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Old May 19th, 2005, 09:33 PM   #12
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Old May 19th, 2005, 10:13 PM   #13
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Dare I hope? To restore the downtown skyline to it's former glory, THAT'S what we WANT Pataki/Bloomberg. Not that balless "Freedom Tower" . REBUILD THE TOWERS!!!
Yeah, rebuild it exactly the same like it was done with the Montecassino Monastery destroyed by nazi's at the end of WWII.. with the slight difference that Montecassino was (is) a georgeous building whilst WTC was just tall.. and the new version looks like a cheap copy of the original to my eyes. Well, if it suits you lot.. go ahead!
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Old May 19th, 2005, 10:20 PM   #14
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Yeah, rebuild it exactly the same like it was done with the Montecassino Monastery destroyed by nazi's at the end of WWII.. with the slight difference that Montecassino was (is) a georgeous building whilst WTC was just tall.. and the new version looks like a cheap copy of the original to my eyes. Well, if it suits you lot.. go ahead!
It's an American thing. You wouldn't understand, being from Italia, or Europa, or whatever it's going by these days.
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Old May 19th, 2005, 10:33 PM   #15
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Old May 19th, 2005, 10:34 PM   #16
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^ Don't be a ****. Same to Caustic Window.


I agree with Jan's comments about the design.
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Old May 19th, 2005, 10:36 PM   #17
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Whilst replacing the WTC gives a defiant message to the terrorists and extremists.. at the same time I cant help but feel it suggests that the largest terrorist tragedy to date can simply be erased over and have replica towers that make it seem like it never happened.. I know they have to build something but to replace them? I'm unsure..I dont like the other proposals either but this... I'm not opposing, I just can't give 100% support.. but then will anyone? Its more a case of 'its better than Libeskind or nothing at all'..

What are the actual chances anyway?
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Old May 19th, 2005, 10:38 PM   #18
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I hate Donald Trump, but I'm glad he has the guts to come out and say that the Freedom Tower sucks. I would let him build the twin towers, I want them back! NY just isn't NY without them. How I miss them.

Did he mention any plans for a memorial in his design? There definitely HAS to be an amazing memorial too.
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BOO HISSS, this would be a terrible idea, cmon guys lets get creative.
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Old May 19th, 2005, 10:55 PM   #20
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Well if they rebuild them, then at least add some more height than those lousy 100 ft.

A few skybridges betweens them would look nice too...
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