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Old December 15th, 2006, 11:37 PM   #1021
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Thai pronounce for Suvarnabhumi

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From Kendo's pics, it's Suwannaphumi... So either spelling is accepted, Suvarnabhumi/Suwannaphumi? Sorry for my ignorance..
Suvarnabhumi (pronounced Su-wan-na-poom). Either, you can write Suwannaphumi or Suwannabhumi... that word was chosen by Thai King Bhumibol. It means "the golden land", specifically referring to the continental Indochina and Important Center Hub of Southeast Asia Airport to World.
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Old December 16th, 2006, 03:14 AM   #1022
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Thanks for the clarification guys..Now i know how to say it.. i thought it's SU-VAR-NAB-HU-MI.. It's easier at SU-WA-NA-PUM..
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Old December 16th, 2006, 06:21 AM   #1024
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Old December 17th, 2006, 01:42 PM   #1026
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Old December 17th, 2006, 04:16 PM   #1027
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Aircraft noise compensation due Jan 31

Thailand's Ministry of Transport is expected to pay compensation to homeowners affected by aircraft noise at Bangkok's new Suvarnabhumi Airport by January 31, a senior official said Sunday.

Pollution Control Department director general Supat Wangwongwatana said his staff had already measured aircraft noise at the new airport and sent the information to the Transport Ministry so that compensation could be issued to property owners.

The Transport Ministry is establishing a committee to follow up technical measures and considering the appropriate levels of compensation.

Homes within 10 kilometers of the northern and southern portions of the airport have been affected most by noise measuring up to 40 NEF (Noise Exposure Forecast) and homeowners in these areas will be given either compensation, have their properties purchased by the government or repaired by January 31, 2007, said Mr. Supat.

In a bid to help local residents near the airport from the noise pollution, noise exposure will now be limited to 28 to 40 NEF instead of the 30 NEF zone set earlier, he said.

The Airports of Thailand (AoT) said earlier that it was negotiating to buy 71 homes in the 40 NEF zones that encountered over 70 decibels of noise. Most homeowners wanted to move but had not yet reached an agreement with the government regarding compensation.

Representatives of residents living near the airport have urged AoT to be clear regarding land expropriation and give them a fair price because the offered price so far is lower than the market price, making it hard for them to buy new homes. (TNA)

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Old December 18th, 2006, 05:26 AM   #1028
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Suvarnabhumi - Sanskrit word

HI Francis,

No one will tell you this, but Suvarnabhumi is a Sanskrit word which actually means "HEAVENLY (Suvarna) / EARTH (Bhumi). There are quite a few Sanskrit words in Thai language.

Hope this helps you understand the origin of Bangkok airport's name.

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From Kendo's pics, it's Suwannaphumi... So either spelling is accepted, Suvarnabhumi/Suwannaphumi? Sorry for my ignorance..
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Old December 19th, 2006, 05:31 AM   #1029
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HI Francis,

No one will tell you this, but Suvarnabhumi is a Sanskrit word which actually means "HEAVENLY (Suvarna) / EARTH (Bhumi). There are quite a few Sanskrit words in Thai language.

Hope this helps you understand the origin of Bangkok airport's name.

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No, it's wrong.

Suvarnabhumi (pronouced Su-Wan-Na-Poom) comprises of two ancient Sansakrit words:
Suvarn means Golden
Bhumi means Land

So, it means Golden land as Serm's reply.
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Old December 19th, 2006, 07:18 AM   #1030
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Classhopper, I won't dispute with you. In general reference Golden Land also has close association with heavenly earth.
However, Suvarna again are two words, where, Su = Good and Varna = Color (which again refers to Golden as the good color).

Bhumi's original definition is earth / land.

Other Thai city names or person's names that have heavy Sanskrit origins are :-
Chatanburi - (Ratna-puri)
Ayuthaya - (Ayodhya)
Adulyadej - Atulya-tej
Sukarno - Sukarna = karna = ear
Prasath - Prasad = gift from the lord

Hope this helps. BTW, Sanskrit is still spoken, sung and enacted in plays in India.

I'd rather close this topic, now that this belongs to BANGKOK's new airport and not about Indic linguistic culture

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No, it's wrong.

Suvarnabhumi (pronouced Su-Wan-Na-Poom) comprises of two ancient Sansakrit words:
Suvarn means Golden
Bhumi means Land

So, it means Golden land as Serm's reply.
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Old December 20th, 2006, 10:03 AM   #1031
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Classhopper, I won't dispute with you. In general reference Golden Land also has close association with heavenly earth.
However, Suvarna again are two words, where, Su = Good and Varna = Color (which again refers to Golden as the good color).

Bhumi's original definition is earth / land.

Other Thai city names or person's names that have heavy Sanskrit origins are :-
Chatanburi - (Ratna-puri)
Ayuthaya - (Ayodhya)
Adulyadej - Atulya-tej
Sukarno - Sukarna = karna = ear
Prasath - Prasad = gift from the lord

Hope this helps. BTW, Sanskrit is still spoken, sung and enacted in plays in India.

I'd rather close this topic, now that this belongs to BANGKOK's new airport and not about Indic linguistic culture

Cheers
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Actually, you're right exactly by all means. I just only try to correct the meaning for the airport's name not to find out what or how it actually means. Anyway, you have very well knowledge in Sansakrit though
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Old December 21st, 2006, 11:03 AM   #1032
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Suvarnabhumi airport very perfect.
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Old December 22nd, 2006, 02:40 AM   #1033
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Old December 24th, 2006, 10:33 PM   #1034
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New airport faces partial shutdown

AMORNRAT MAHITTHIROOK

Mistakes, graft found in almost all contracts


Poor construction at Suvarnabhumi may force parts of the new airport to be shut down for repairs. This would open the way for the recently abandoned Don Muang airport to be re-opened to serve Bangkok's air traffic needs.


Deputy Transport Minister Sansern Wongcha-um said yesterday that following a recent report on the problems facing Suvarnabhumi airport, it was likely that part of the new facility would have to be closed and Don Muang airport would pick up the slack.


Some people had suggested the airport, open less than three months, be completely closed for a revamp, with flights being redirected to Don Muang until the improvements are completed, Mr Sansern said. He was opposed to that. Trying to move everything back to Don Muang would cause chaos.


The Council for Democratic Reform _ now the Council for National Security _ asked about the readiness of Suvarnabhumi airport just after the Sept 19 coup, but executives of the Airports of Thailand (AoT) had insisted the airport was ready for the scheduled Sept 28 opening.


Opening the airport before it was completed had inevitably led to problems. If the opening had been delayed to allow work to be finished properly, the airport would have started on a more solid footing.


The new AoT board appointed after the coup has discovered physical and managerial problems at Suvarnabhumi airport.


Board member Yodyiam Theptranont, who heads a sub-panel investigating the problems, said the repairs would take a long time. He could not give a timeframe.


Mr Yodyiam's report to the AoT board outlined a lengthy list of complaints and deficiencies, along with a list of recommendations on fixing the problems.


The report attributed the faults to substandard construction, poor management and manipulation of designs and materials.


The report said the airport's information technology facilities were incomplete and the upper floors of the car park building have no drains, causing rain water to flow into elevator shafts.


Over 1,000 lamps had already burned out and not been replaced.


Mr Yodyiam said AoT lacked an official with direct responsibility for the airport's construction, which had posed an obstacle in getting swift repairs.


Another AoT board member, Tortrakul Yomnak, said many areas need repairs and a partial closure was likely.


Chaisak Angsuwan, director-general of the Civil Aviation Department, said that due to the persistent problems, the department could not issue a permanent licence for Suvarnabhumi airport.


It would, however, extend an interim aerodrome certificate for the airport for another six months in January, he said.


Mr Chaisak said the airport needed to meet all physical and operational requirements before it could be given a permanent certificate.


There were many cracks in the airport's taxiways, some serious and some not, and repairs would be time-consuming, he said. Many operations staff also have no expertise in using their equipment.


Adm Bannawit Kengrian, chairman of the National Legislative Assembly's committee on Suvarnabhumi airport, said his panel had discovered mistakes and irregularities in almost all the airport's contracts. Names of those believed responsible would be announced in two weeks.


Specifications in some contracts had been distorted, he said.


Salaries paid executives of the Novotel Suvarnabhumi Airport Hotel were unusually high. Despite its claimed five-star status, the hotel had plywood doors.


An inexperienced contractor operated transformers that supply power to visiting aircraft and six transformers had burnt out. The cost of digging ditches around the airport was inflated to three billion baht and hiring security guards to five billion baht.

Any contracts where corruption was found would be scrapped, he said


BY: Bangkok Post Newspaper
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Old December 24th, 2006, 10:41 PM   #1035
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Bangkok's new Airport may faces partial closed due to poor construction!

New airport faces partial shutdown

Mistakes, graft found in almost all contracts

AMORNRAT MAHITTHIROOK

Poor construction at Suvarnabhumi may force parts of the new airport to be shut down for repairs. This would open the way for the recently abandoned Don Muang airport to be re-opened to serve Bangkok's air traffic needs.


Deputy Transport Minister Sansern Wongcha-um said yesterday that following a recent report on the problems facing Suvarnabhumi airport, it was likely that part of the new facility would have to be closed and Don Muang airport would pick up the slack.


Some people had suggested the airport, open less than three months, be completely closed for a revamp, with flights being redirected to Don Muang until the improvements are completed, Mr Sansern said. He was opposed to that. Trying to move everything back to Don Muang would cause chaos.


The Council for Democratic Reform _ now the Council for National Security _ asked about the readiness of Suvarnabhumi airport just after the Sept 19 coup, but executives of the Airports of Thailand (AoT) had insisted the airport was ready for the scheduled Sept 28 opening.


Opening the airport before it was completed had inevitably led to problems. If the opening had been delayed to allow work to be finished properly, the airport would have started on a more solid footing.


The new AoT board appointed after the coup has discovered physical and managerial problems at Suvarnabhumi airport.


Board member Yodyiam Theptranont, who heads a sub-panel investigating the problems, said the repairs would take a long time. He could not give a timeframe.


Mr Yodyiam's report to the AoT board outlined a lengthy list of complaints and deficiencies, along with a list of recommendations on fixing the problems.


The report attributed the faults to substandard construction, poor management and manipulation of designs and materials.


The report said the airport's information technology facilities were incomplete and the upper floors of the car park building have no drains, causing rain water to flow into elevator shafts.


Over 1,000 lamps had already burned out and not been replaced.


Mr Yodyiam said AoT lacked an official with direct responsibility for the airport's construction, which had posed an obstacle in getting swift repairs.


Another AoT board member, Tortrakul Yomnak, said many areas need repairs and a partial closure was likely.


Chaisak Angsuwan, director-general of the Civil Aviation Department, said that due to the persistent problems, the department could not issue a permanent licence for Suvarnabhumi airport.


It would, however, extend an interim aerodrome certificate for the airport for another six months in January, he said.


Mr Chaisak said the airport needed to meet all physical and operational requirements before it could be given a permanent certificate.


There were many cracks in the airport's taxiways, some serious and some not, and repairs would be time-consuming, he said. Many operations staff also have no expertise in using their equipment.


Adm Bannawit Kengrian, chairman of the National Legislative Assembly's committee on Suvarnabhumi airport, said his panel had discovered mistakes and irregularities in almost all the airport's contracts. Names of those believed responsible would be announced in two weeks.


Specifications in some contracts had been distorted, he said.


Salaries paid executives of the Novotel Suvarnabhumi Airport Hotel were unusually high. Despite its claimed five-star status, the hotel had plywood doors.


An inexperienced contractor operated transformers that supply power to visiting aircraft and six transformers had burnt out. The cost of digging ditches around the airport was inflated to three billion baht and hiring security guards to five billion baht.


Any contracts where corruption was found would be scrapped, he said

BY: Bangkok Post Newspaper

DATE: December 25th, 2006
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Old December 24th, 2006, 11:28 PM   #1036
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Now, I have heard that new airport has been faced the major causes of problems such as limted toilets, glass celing, cracking on taxing parking at the gates, cracks on runways, dirty on floors and more. Overall, these are very mismanagement into facilities and more. Also, they haven't solved these problems since almost 3 months. How can these get coped after 3 to 6 months?? That is very difficult time for constructor to repair into opening airport because many passengers and staffs walk around for 24 hours. there have limited time for them to fix the problems that can be delayed.

To me, this is very shameful for Thailand because there are corruptions that government focus on how to be SUPER beautiful design and make world passengers attractive, but never think of what facilities are needed for passengers and staffs at the airport..... In my opinion, Authority of Thailand (AOT) should rethink and do better focus on how to take priority in improve these facilities into the airport for passengers....
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As I just posted in the other thread, Suvarnabhum is a beautiful airport in terms of its architecture but very bad in terms of its design and function as International airport.

Poor workmanships are also very noticeable around the airport. It is about time that the Thai gov't fix this issue because it becomes a major disaster.
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As I just posted in the other thread, Suvarnabhum is a beautiful airport in terms of its architecture but very bad in terms of its design and function as International airport.

Poor workmanships are also very noticeable around the airport. It is about time that the Thai gov't fix this issue because it becomes a major disaster.
So is the building safe? will it collapse just like the Paris Charles de Galle airport? its so sudden.
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Well as i mentioned in the other BKK airport thread, this airport has recieved a plethora of complaints from pax who have used it in the skytrax forums. Here is an example, which i feel sums up Suvarnabhumi's woes quite nicely:

Bangkok Suvarnabhumi Airport by Gary Lowcock
12 December 2006


I passed through the new Bangkok airport 4 times over a 3 week period and would consider it a victory of style over substance. The airport looks impressive as a building from the outside. However, inside it is less successful both in terms of how it looks but especially in relation to the key test – usability. Arriving on an international flight involved a very long hike to immigration. There are far more immigration desks open than previously but the staff are as resolutely surly as before. The baggage claim area is huge, light and airy but bags took an age to arrive with no priority given to priority tagged luggage. By far and away the worst aspect of the airport on arrival is the arrivals hall itself which is essentially the width of a wide corridor and swarming with touts for ‘limousine’ service taxis – or rather taxis at three (or more) times the normal rate. Metered taxis can be obtained on the ground floor (one level down) but there are no sign posts to indicate this and many a tired traveller coming off a long haul flight will no doubt succumb to these rip off merchants. I guess that’s the idea. It gives a very negative first impression of Thailand and as one other contributor has observed feels very ‘third world’. Domestic departure started off well with the exterior of the airport a huge improvement on Don Muang; high roofs and the elevated position providing both shade and cooling breezes. Dedicated business class check in for Thai Airways was fine but you still get the supervisor approaching you in a far from welcoming way because you’re not wearing a suit and they think you’re trying to gate crash the wrong queue. Domestic departures is pleasant enough if you’re travelling business class or with Bangkok Airways who have their own lounge. For everyone else it would appear to be a pretty grim experience with no catering outlets or even comfortable seating airside. The holding pens (for want of a better expression) at each gate are rather desolate areas with metal seating, toilets and that’s it. International Departures still has the ongoing farce of purchasing your departure tax ticket to hand it over to someone 5 foot away creating unnecessary congestion. There were a lot of desks open at immigration which took considerably less time than on previous occasions. As I had lounge access I did not make use of the catering facilities but these looked smart enough and appeared reasonably priced. A lot of upmarket retail outlets selling overpriced designer gear. Signposting as people have mentioned varies between poor and none existant and surprisingly there is the occasional hole in the floor or similar such obstacle to be negotiated. Again, once one moves through to the gate area things become pretty bleak and I wouldn’t advise anyone to arrive at their gate earlier than necessary. The airport appears to have created a large number of new jobs – there were a lot of uniformed people sitting around in groups doing not a lot. However, the expansion has meant that many of these staff would appear to be new and not only lack any basic English language skills but in many instances the gumption to even communicate in ‘international’ sign language. Smiling sweetly (but dumbly) or looking terrified and like they may burst into tears being the two stock responses. I know this comment about language skills might appear a bit arrogant or xenophobic but at the end of the day the Thai govt wishes to see Bangkok as a major hub. With English the lingua franca of international travel this is an issue that must be addressed. Overall even allowing for the inevitable teething problems compounded by a forced early opening I cannot see it becoming a great airport. The fundamental design is flawed with little or no apparent consideration for the needs of the user. In some instances the design is so far off meeting the needs of passengers it’s difficult to see how these problems can be overcome.

After reading many comments like these and also hearing them from friends who used this airport, i think BKK is in serious trouble.
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