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Old December 29th, 2006, 04:51 AM   #1061
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Awaiting permanent certification

Suvarnabhumi Airport awaiting permanent certification
BANGKOK, Dec 28 (TNA) - Bangkok's new Suvarnabhumi Airport must wait for permanent certification from Thailand's Department of Civil Aviation as the airport is still in the process of rectifying problems before the civil aviation authorities can certify its readiness to provide full capacity services to passengers, according to DCA director-general Chaisak Angkasuwan.

Mr. Chaisak said the DCA had granted an interim certification to Suvarnabhumi Airport earlier this year, giving operational permission to the new facility and that the certification will expire on January 25.

However, he said, Suvarnabhumi Airport cannot yet be given the permanent certification as the airport must make alterations regarding the revolving doors for entering the terminal building.

“Passengers with baggage trollies may become stuck when using the revolving doors and risk breaking the glass of the doors, causing injury,” he said.

Airport authorities are changing the doors to facilitate the convenience, according to Mr. Chaisak.

The DCA had extended its interim certificate for Suvarnabhumi Airport for another six months, he said.

Mr. Chaisak confirmed that without permanent certification, the airport is nonetheless able to operate with full safety and that the DCA decision is unrelated to earlier comments from the International Civil Aviation Organisation (ICAO).

He added that France’s Charles de Gaulle airport, which opened before Suvarnabhumi Airport, is still using Interim Certificate.
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Old December 29th, 2006, 04:55 AM   #1062
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Awaiting Permanent Certification

Suvarnabhumi Airport awaiting permanent certification

BANGKOK, Dec 28 (TNA) - Bangkok's new Suvarnabhumi Airport must wait for permanent certification from Thailand's Department of Civil Aviation as the airport is still in the process of rectifying problems before the civil aviation authorities can certify its readiness to provide full capacity services to passengers, according to DCA director-general Chaisak Angkasuwan.

Mr. Chaisak said the DCA had granted an interim certification to Suvarnabhumi Airport earlier this year, giving operational permission to the new facility and that the certification will expire on January 25.

However, he said, Suvarnabhumi Airport cannot yet be given the permanent certification as the airport must make alterations regarding the revolving doors for entering the terminal building.

“Passengers with baggage trollies may become stuck when using the revolving doors and risk breaking the glass of the doors, causing injury,” he said.

Airport authorities are changing the doors to facilitate the convenience, according to Mr. Chaisak.

The DCA had extended its interim certificate for Suvarnabhumi Airport for another six months, he said.

Mr. Chaisak confirmed that without permanent certification, the airport is nonetheless able to operate with full safety and that the DCA decision is unrelated to earlier comments from the International Civil Aviation Organisation (ICAO).

He added that France’s Charles de Gaulle airport, which opened before Suvarnabhumi Airport, is still using Interim Certificate.
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Old December 29th, 2006, 05:00 AM   #1063
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Heightened security at Suvarnabhumi airport for festive season

BANGKOK, Dec 24 (TNA) – Security measures at Suvarnabhumi airport have been stepped up during the Christmas and New Year celebrations as more people are projected to travel during the festive season, senior officials said today.

Effective through New Year's Day, security measures at the airport will be tightened round-the-clock as more airport security, together with army and police personnel, will be posted there to provide security to local and foreign passengers, Chotisak Asapaviriya, president of Airports of Thailand Public Co., Ltd. (AOT).

Travellers should also beware of bogus guides and black-plated (unauthorised) limousines at the airport. They could be a threat because they are not registered with the airport, Mr. Chotisak said.

As traffic within the airport premises has become busier, cars will not be allowed to park at no-parking zones, while vehicles coming for customers at the airport will have their identification cards checked, he said.

To date, police have apprehended 280 unregistered taxi and limousine drivers who have picked up passengers at the airport, Suvarnabhumi director Somchai Sawasdeepon said, adding that it is necessary to boost security measures, especially during the holiday season.
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Old December 30th, 2006, 05:01 AM   #1064
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here is a website that may answer your questions

http://www2.airportthai.co.th/faq/main.htm#
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Old December 31st, 2006, 05:45 AM   #1065
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Why am i not surprised about this news?
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Old December 31st, 2006, 10:37 AM   #1066
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Well, I know the 1st place they should fix.... the unlevelled flooring on the concourse between D3 and D4 .....I knew because I lost my balance there last week.

according to the link Kiku provided there are reasonable explaination why there are uneven surfaces in some areas.
A point to note is that Bangkok airport uses water chilled pipes to cool the building and cool-air blowing system. The cooler pad system requires an installation of cool water pipes 7.5 centimeters underneath the building. It's quite an ingenious temperature control system which minimise the need for airconditioning for such a large building.. 563,000sqm in fact.

During the rush to finish the work its appear the main culprits were the contractors coming to work on interior decoration, which are unrelated to the construction works and more than often the drilling on the floor was done without asking for permission and whatever drilling done was not repaired afterward. Now the airport had gone and fixed the problems to do with crack and bursting of waper pipes. The building itself is structurally sounds (designed by famous German engineer Werner Sobek)..
unlike say that terminal at CDG which collapsed a couple of years ago.
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Old December 31st, 2006, 01:35 PM   #1067
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Oh come on, some contributors here are living in cloud cuckoo land. The amount of problems and the magnitude of those problems at a new airport of this size and stature are unacceptable, no matter what country it was built in. Wake up and smell the coffee.

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Old December 31st, 2006, 02:53 PM   #1068
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If one knows anything about former prime minister thaksin and his thai rak thai party, one wouldn't be surprised by this news.
Thaksin is a stubburn arrogant person who thought he knew everything best, so even though the terminal was designed by several world class architects, he and his friends changed the designs several times at the expense of the taxpayers and the people.
You can't say stuff like this in the thai forum because there are still people out there who think he's the greatest thing to happen since sliced bread, but the airport speaks for itself.
It cost 4 Billion US Dollars. The sum of everything there isn't worth that much. 'nuff said.
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Old January 1st, 2007, 09:10 AM   #1069
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I wonder where the anti-taksin groupies are to give their "oh no political talk"
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Old January 1st, 2007, 10:07 AM   #1070
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If one knows anything about former prime minister thaksin and his thai rak thai party, one wouldn't be surprised by this news.
Thaksin is a stubburn arrogant person who thought he knew everything best, so even though the terminal was designed by several world class architects, he and his friends changed the designs several times at the expense of the taxpayers and the people.
You can't say stuff like this in the thai forum because there are still people out there who think he's the greatest thing to happen since sliced bread, but the airport speaks for itself.
It cost 4 Billion US Dollars. The sum of everything there isn't worth that much. 'nuff said.
4 Billion Dollars? An airport isn't supposed to cost that much is it? I doubt the airports in Shanghai, Guangzhou or hell even Kansai cost that much.
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Old January 1st, 2007, 04:23 PM   #1071
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4 Billion Dollars? An airport isn't supposed to cost that much is it? I doubt the airports in Shanghai, Guangzhou or hell even Kansai cost that much.
i believe they cost even more than this one
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Old January 1st, 2007, 04:59 PM   #1072
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i believe they cost even more than this one
ummm no dude you believe wrong. Guangzhou cost 2.36 Billion dollars. Shanghai airport is currently building an extension which is a virtual replica of the current terminal building, the extension is costing around 2.4 billion dollars so we can assume thats how much it cost to make the current shanghai airport. Finally Kansai airport was built at an absolutely astronomical cost, but it is not comparable to any of the aforementioned airports since it is built on a reclaimed island and faced with constant sinking problems, which explain the huge building cost.

However airports comparable to bangkoks are usually constructed at just about half the cost of Suvarnabhumi.
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Old January 1st, 2007, 07:58 PM   #1073
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4 Billion Dollars? An airport isn't supposed to cost that much is it? I doubt the airports in Shanghai, Guangzhou or hell even Kansai cost that much.
Phase I of Kansai Airport [1 runway] was $5Bn and an additional $10Bn for the island it sits on, back in 1994.

Survarnabhumi was built from scratch. Most days we hear pricetags for large replacement terminals built on existing aerodromes, and those can range between $2Bn and $3Bn. Bangkok's airport cost sounds just about right if not a bargain.

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Old January 3rd, 2007, 06:16 AM   #1074
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Old January 3rd, 2007, 07:49 AM   #1075
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Phase I of Kansai Airport [1 runway] was $5Bn and an additional $10Bn for the island it sits on, back in 1994.

Survarnabhumi was built from scratch. Most days we hear pricetags for large replacement terminals built on existing aerodromes, and those can range between $2Bn and $3Bn. Bangkok's airport cost sounds just about right if not a bargain.

nah.. total construction cost is about $US3.1 billion (more than $4 billion if you include the highspeed train project linking airport now under construction).
The reason why the airport cost this much and not $5 or $6 billion or more is due to cheaper cost of concrete and building materials from Thailand... also due to significant cost cutting measures from previous govt that requires more local building materials (not necessarily inferior quality than imported ones).

The airport is built on top of a swamp known as "Nong Ngu Hao" (translated as Cobra Swamp in Thai). The site has to be filled, drained and soil compacted. The Terminal concourse area needs piling to depth of many metres due to soft clay profile. Dutch contractors who designed Schiphol was engaged to prepared flood prevention scheme and build a series of flood channels around the airport.
Ground improvement works took about 2-3 years to complete. So it's pretty much like a land reclaimation project in itself.
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Old January 3rd, 2007, 08:16 AM   #1076
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the same newspaper that published that article on page one lost was previously sued by govt for reporting misinformation about cracks in the airport runway.. they were sued for millions $$$$
Do your own research and form your own conclusion.

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Tuesday, August 16, 2005

Airports of Thailand (AoT) and New Bangkok International Airport (NBIA) have filed a criminal libel lawsuit against Post Publishing Plc and the editor of the Bangkok Post, alleging defamation by last Tuesday's news report that there were severe cracks on Suvarnabhumi airport runways.

On Wednesday, a retraction was published on the paper's front page after a tour of the airport's West Runway found no large cracks on "touch down'' points, as the paper had reported. There were small cracks on the shoulders, but the Post said the source who told it that US experts believed the runway would have to be rebuilt was clearly wrong.

The NBIA and AoT yesterday jointly filed the libel lawsuit against Post Publishing and Kowit Sanandang, the editor of the Bangkok Post, for alleged defamation by means of publication.

The maximum penalty for criminal libel is two years' imprisonment and a 200,000 baht fine.

According to the suit, on Aug 9 the Post published false information on the front page which stated: "A team of US aviation experts is insisting that both runways of Suvarnabhumi airport need reconstruction as there are severe cracks that are large enough to sink the nose wheel of an aircraft. They are also not tiny cracks on runaway shoulders that the deputy transport minister showed to reporters.''

The paper also reported that Mr Thaksin unofficially brought the American experts onto the airport construction site in Samut Prakan to inspect the large cracks.

The lawsuit states the report caused readers and pilots worldwide to mistrust Suvarnabhumi airport's aircraft landing safety. It said it has also affected Thai tourism, trade and confidence in the reliability of both AoT and the NBIA.

Both firms asked the court to move quickly to restore confidence in the new airport's safety, and to order the defendants to also pay for publicising the verdict in the most popular newspapers in major countries such as the United States, England and Italy. They also want Post Publishing to pay to air the verdict for an hour each day on Thai and foreign television channels such as CCTV, CNBC and BBC for 15 consecutive days.

The court accepted the lawsuit for consideration and set Sept 19 for examination.

Lawyer Somsak Toraksa said the NBIA will call 10 witnesses, mostly engineering experts, to testify that the cracks on the runway shoulders are not problematic.

The NBIA is also preparing to sue the paper in Civil Court, demanding around one billion baht in compensation.

Bunpot Sornto, an NBIA lawyer, said the firm needed a huge sum of money to run public relations campaigns worldwide to restore the new airport's credibility.

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Old January 3rd, 2007, 08:20 AM   #1077
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What's really annoyed me is many people seem to think the aiport has to close for fear that the building will collapse or something, that is a gross exaggeratioN!! They were talk reopening Don Muang to serve domestic flight and low cost airlines to ease congestion in this airport not due to poor construction! gosh.. why is it so congested there? BKK is the second busiest airport in Asia after Tokyo's and that is a solid FACT.

I'm not ashame to admit that the airport has many flaws but some of the report and comments with regard to the airport needing to close down is totally misleading.
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Old January 4th, 2007, 11:54 AM   #1078
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Here are the latest comments from pax using this airport off Skytrax.

Bangkok Suvarnabhumi Airport by Richard Hoskins
3 January 2007


It is worse than the old BKK Don Muang. The floor looks almost as old even though this airport is "new". Appalled that there are bus gates at a brand new airport! Getting around this airport is a big problem - vast distances to cover, but the actual walkways make you feel like you're cramped/there isn't enough room. Choke points all over the place. The whole place feels cold - no carpets, no padding on the (inadequate) seats, bare unpainted concrete, holes in the floor. Metal walkways in areas designed to break the luggage carts - many of which don't work already.



Bangkok Suvarnabhumi Airport by James Halley
31 December 2006


I transit BKK to/from CNX every few weeks. Domestic flights are always Aisle A or B. Connecting flights always C onwards. Signage is simply awful or confusing at best. Someone is going to be seriously injured thanks to the floor surface. The gents toilets nearest the domestic gates are a joke. Is this a woman's revenge for the queuing they do. I noted a long line on deplaning from the CNX flight. I took a look to find that there was ONE (yes ONE) urinal. What idiot designed this. Or was this done just to fill a gap in the wall? I recently made (the idiotic) decision not to go into town after my late arrival on UA (2335) and I took the first flight to CNX the following morning at 0625. This meant over 6 hours at the airport. I had expected to spend it in the TG lounge. It closes between 0100 and 0500. But it gave me a chance to see that the airport is still a construction site. The calm of the night was broken constantly by the sound of electric drills and hammers. Now there are rumours that parts of the airport will be closed down section by section for repairs. If they keep this up I shall fly CNX-SIN with Silk Air and bypass BKK altogether. TG really stick it to you if you are connecting from a non-TG flight to a domestic destination. Getting a boarding pass out of them is red tape gone wild. And its not a lot better outbound either. I tried to get an SQ boarding pass from TG as a star alliance partner. No - you have to wait for the rep from SQ.

It must be noted that not all comments are bad, when an airport as large and supposedly modern as this is built then obviously there will be quite a few good points. However the problems outlined above by pax dont seem like mere teething problems like a lot of the Thai forumers seem to be suggesting here, they are very fundamental problems.

But hey at least the authorites are doing something about it i guess thats the main thing at the end of the day.
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Old January 4th, 2007, 05:05 PM   #1079
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I myself haven't visited this new airport yet but I've read a lot about it in the press and read review and seen a lot of photos.

BTW it's designed by a famous 'international architect' called Helmut Jahn who won an international design competition to build this airport many years ago. Jahn designed many airports before eg Chicago O'hare terminal building and new extension to Munich airport in Germany. He is an internationally respected architect with 'world class' experience in designing airports (in fact there are a couple of books dedicated to his airport projects).

I think the problem lies with the execution, too many sub-contractors and change of material specificiations. As I don't all know the details whose involved in this project I can't comment on those miniscule aspects. Also some issues relate to airport management more than design (eg baggage handling, staffing, information architecture).

A lot of people complaint that the airport is overcrowded already. Remember this airport itself is a new landmark for BKK, its a tourist attraction as well. There are visitors coming to see it than use it. A lot of people dont have reasons to be there just go there, hence there's more pressure to upkeep airport facilities, congestion problems etc.

There are talk of reopening Don Muang to serve domestic and low cost airlines. Just talks at this stage. Ultimately they are going to build a new low cost terminal at Suvarnabhumi, this should ease the congestion in that super terminal structure.
I do hope the problems highlighted can be fix and i am sure it will.
i'm personally not sure about the contruction stages of the airport - but there's a possibility that the original architect was only responsible for the early scheme design (concept and schematics) and didn't actually work on any construction drawings which is quite common nowadays when the budget gets tight... like it's far cheaper to employ local architects to build it rather than getting a bunch of foreigners to oversee the construction...

and that's where it goes wrong because the new architects will have much less enthusiasm because what they're drawing up aren't their own designs resulting in a poorly detailed and constructed building.
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Old January 5th, 2007, 04:14 AM   #1080
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The project architect is MJTA consortium, comprising two international architecture firms Murphy/Jahn (design architect) and TAMS architecture. They also include local partners Arun Chiseree Consulting which is more of engineering/architecture firm. They are a team of multi-national working on this project.

There were talk during the construction that the project manager (Pacific Consultants, from Japan) would prepare an alternative design, in case the project run over budget (which it did). However the then govt consciously decided not to go with this 'design and build' option as it would compromise the integrity of the architecture and quality as well. They only asked the architect to consider using more local materials to reduce the cost.

It is not common for people from many countries to work on one project in this days and age of the internet. Its not the first time this has been done in Thailand.

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