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Old January 13th, 2007, 07:06 AM   #1101
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Do things like this happen often in thailand and other South East Asian countries. Or maybe this could be related to the military take over of the country's government, is that why this airport's building progress is going so bad?
things like what?
some biase newspapers got sued for millions for reporting false information? yeh that happen quite a lot. The news headlines here read pretty much like the UK tabloids really! no wonder why people bought that crap.
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Old January 13th, 2007, 07:06 AM   #1102
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Do things like this happen often in thailand and other South East Asian countries. Or maybe this could be related to the military take over of the country's government, is that why this airport's building progress is going so bad?
To answer your question...Sadly this is the way things are carriered out in thailand, the layed back approach... Iv been to Thailand 4 times and plan a trip in the next few weeks and not much has change every time Iv gone back...
The construction of Bangkok's NEW airport was delayed well over 2 years (when construction commenced) but over all the NEW airport was delayed well over 40 years!

Hope I'v answered your question
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Old January 13th, 2007, 07:13 AM   #1103
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hey dude that's nothing to do with military takeover.
That's the kind of things that newspaper like to used to sell story.

The last there was a coup, a guy name Anand (interim PM at the time) created the new Bangkok International Airport company. That's how the project got started again in the 90s. There was not a coup in that 14 years period. Of course there was politically meddling in the process and the Thai economy hit rock bottom in 97.. hence the delay. ok?
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Old January 13th, 2007, 11:02 AM   #1104
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DON MUANG AIRPORT

THAI going back to the future

National carrier to move all but three of its domestic routes from Suvarnabhumi to old airport to save on operating costs


Thai Airways International is moving all of its domestic routes, except those involving Phuket, Chiang Mai and Khon Kaen, to Don Muang airport once the Cabinet approves its reopening.


The move aims to save on operating costs, which are higher at the new Suvarnabhumi Airport. The flag carrier recently said the move to Suvarnabhumi had added Bt3.7 billion to its annual operating costs.


THAI president Apinan Sumanaseni said yesterday that only flights on three routes would be operated at Suvarnabhumi as they carry a large number of foreign passengers who are taking connecting flights to overseas destinations.


On Thursday, Airports of Thailand's (AOT) board approved in principle the reopening of the old airport following an outcry from low-cost airlines over the higher operating fees.


Budget airlines have complained about the higher costs of using the new international airport, which took over domestic and international flights when it opened on September 28.


Yesterday, AOT informed the Stock Exchange of Thailand that its board had approved reopening the capital's old airport for domestic flights, a move that would reduce operating costs for budget airlines.


Deputy Transport Minister Sansern Wongcha-um said the reopening of Don Muang would relieve AOT from the future investment of Bt1.4 billion for the construction of a low-cost airline terminal.


However, he is unsure whether the move will be permanent. The issue will be forwarded to the Cabinet for approval, possibly next week.


"This should help AOT delay the new investment for four or five years," Sansern said yesterday, adding that the authorities are also addressing the reported cracks on Suvarnabhumi's taxi ways.


AOT said in the statement that if the Cabinet approved the plan, airlines flying non-transit domestic routes would have the option of moving back to Don Muang.


Low-cost carriers including Nok Air and One Two Go have shown interest in moving their operations to Don Muang airport. However, AirAsia wants to move both domestic and international routes back to the old airport.


Apinan said few passengers would be troubled by THAI's intended move. The airline will provide a shuttle-bus service serving the two airports.


He added that THAI would finalise a domestic flight timetable and a comparison of operating costs between the two airports within two weeks.


"Operating costs at the former airport would be cheaper than Suvarnnabhumi Airport. Moreover, Don Muang will be less of a problem for matters such as landing fees, parking fees and ground services, as well as leading to shorter delays. Meanwhile, passengers will also save on travel time and transportation expenditure," said Apinan.


The airline chief also said THAI was proceeding with a plan to set up a new airline, details of which are expected to be completed in six months. The new carrier will operate only domestic routes, using Don Muang airport.


However, investment costs and a formal name have not yet been decided.


"THAI will take a 100-per-cent share in the new airline," Apinan added.


The carrier is will be a full-service airline positioned between low-cost operators and THAI.


THAI will transfer aircraft and facilities to the new airline.

Suchat Sritama


By: The Nation
Date: January 13th, 2007
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Old January 17th, 2007, 11:51 AM   #1105
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Old January 17th, 2007, 02:40 PM   #1106
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Ok, and what exactly is the point of those pictures...Its amazing how some forumers try to defend the airport by posting pictures showing the structure of this airport. I mean fair enough that you feel strongly about your airport being thai, but just accept that the airport has major problems. I'm sure that the authorities concerned are working on the said problems already, and within lets say 3-5 years time ppl probably won't even remember these problems.

But its really annoying when someone just posts pictures to show the apparent 'grandeur' of the airport rather than just accept the problems and get on with it.
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Old January 17th, 2007, 03:17 PM   #1107
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One of the first things I noticed were the aerobridges. They installed the old type all metal tube variety, instead of the newer glass sided designs available nowadays. Shame, since the terminal building itself has a very predominant 'glass' theme all round.

There was a cold snap biting Thailand when we were there end Dec last, so I guess that is why we didn't have to endure the reported lack of air conditioning. Nope, not even at 2pm in the afternoon !
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Old January 18th, 2007, 07:26 AM   #1108
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Old January 19th, 2007, 05:23 PM   #1109
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One of the first things I noticed were the aerobridges. They installed the old type all metal tube variety, instead of the newer glass sided designs available nowadays. Shame, since the terminal building itself has a very predominant 'glass' theme all round.

There was a cold snap biting Thailand when we were there end Dec last, so I guess that is why we didn't have to endure the reported lack of air conditioning. Nope, not even at 2pm in the afternoon !
these kind of aerobridge is such a let down for a grand airport such as Suvarnabhumi....should use the glass passenger boarding bridge instead...
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Old January 22nd, 2007, 04:43 AM   #1110
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SUVARNABHUMI AIRPORT PROBLEMS WITH RUNWAYS, TAXIWAYS

Sub-standard work likely cause of cracks, wavy surfaces

AMORNRAT MAHITTHIROOK

The head of the inquiry into the construction of Suvarnabhumi airport suspects the cracked and uneven surfaces of runways and taxiways stems from substandard construction.


Praphan Khoonmee, head of the inquiry sub-committee set up by the Suvarnabhumi airport committee of the National Legislative Assembly, and panel members yesterday inspected runways and taxiways where surface cracks are mushrooming.


They found many surface cracks at holding areas for both the western and eastern runways.


The cracks are fine, short and longitudinal and believed caused by the weight of aircraft waiting to take off.


Many parts of the taxiways are uneven and cracked. Most of the flaws are waves in the pavement. The cracks are about a palm wide, a few centimetres deep and less than a metre long at each spot.


Mr Praphan said he heard from staff of Airports of Thailand Plc (AoT) that the problem began only two weeks after Suvarnabhumi opened on Sept 28. It had spread to more than 100 spots with the combined area of taxiway damage more than 100,000 square metres.


The problem surfacing just two weeks after the opening indicated it probably resulted from poor construction, he said.


The actual cause of the damage had yet to be determined. That might prohibit the Civil Aviation Department from issuing the airport a permanent licence, he said.


Somjet Tinapong, an adviser to the inquiry and former managing director of New Bangkok International Airport Co, which supervised the airport's construction, said the cracks on the eastern runway were very fine, but those on the western runway were bigger and could affect safety.


Underground water had not been drained properly before construction in areas that join taxiways and the passenger terminal.


Kusol Chumpolrat, AoT's director for airports and buildings, admitted that unless the real cause was discovered, the problem could recur.


Suvarnabhumi airport director Somchai Sawasdeepol said engineers from the Highways Department, the Asian Institute of Technology and other institutions should have answers in the next few weeks.


Veerasak Pinthong, construction manager of Obayashi Co, which built the runways, insisted they had strictly followed the design and that core sampling had not revealed any water seeping into the foundations under the runway.

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Old January 22nd, 2007, 05:17 AM   #1111
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photos posted in the Thai forum...

first pic is the shot of the taxiway (wide angle)
the second last pic was published in an on-line newspaper
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Old January 22nd, 2007, 05:47 AM   #1112
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Extract from an article in the New Civil Engineer International Magazine - May 2005
(on-line version here http://www.nceplus.co.uk/ )

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Old January 26th, 2007, 04:48 AM   #1113
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SUVARNABHUMI AIRPORT REPAIRS TO CRACKED RUNWAY

Four incoming flights diverted to U-tapao
AMORNRAT MAHITTHIROOK

Four incoming flights were diverted from Bangkok to U-tapao for refuelling yesterday after being held in a holding pattern for too long _ a delay caused by repairs to Suvarnabhumi airport's cracked runway. Tortrakul Yomnak, a board member of Airports of Thailand Plc (AoT), said one Nok Air flight, one Thai AirAsia plane and two Thai Airways International flights, from Japan and Singapore, had to land at U-tapao airport about 3pm to take on extra fuel. Afterwards they flew back to Suvarnabhumi.


Large aircraft had to circle above Suvarnabhumi because only its eastern runway could serve them yesterday.


The western runway was partly closed for repairs to its cracked take-off area. The repair work cut its usable length from 4,000 metres to 2,500 metres and it could serve only relatively small airraft.


The repairs were expected to be completed late last night.


Transport Minister Theera Haocharoen visited Suvarnabhumi airport yesterday to inspect damage to both the runway and the taxiways.


He acknowledged there were over 100 damaged spots in 25 areas. Seven areas have been repaired and the repairs to each area will take about two weeks.


He admitted the damage and repairs were inconveniencing passengers.


Because of the cracked taxiways, aircraft cannot approach 11 of the total 51 parking aprons. The closure of those areas was causing heavy congestion and many planes were forced to use remote parking areas.


An AoT source said about 10 of the total 102 concertina-like airbridges were also unusable because they developed cracks. This caused the total closure of the concourse D5 section.


Adm Theera yesterday also ordered the relocation of 12 electrical control cabinets for the passenger terminal for safety reasons.


The cabinets control the electrical and lighting systems of the whole terminal and were installed on the hot rooftop of the terminal to maximise usable space inside the terminal. The minister was concerned that the overheated cabinets could break down or even catch fire.


The AoT board met yesterday but made no decision on the transfer of any AoT executives over the problems at Suvarnabhumi airport. It will consider revamping the whole of the AoT management at a later stage.


Mr Tortrakul said the AoT board has found that King Power International Group occupies larger commercial areas than its contract allows.


The contract allows King Power to use 25,000 square metres but the firm's actual commercial areas, including those leased to sub-contractors, together totalled about 36,000 square metres, he said.


The issue would have to be corrected because commercial areas were obstructing the movements of passengers.


Income from the shops was not the main concern of the AoT, he said.


Mr Tortrakul said the AoT board was investigating whether there were any irregularities in the bidding for the contract that allows King Power to to manage all commercial space in the passenger terminal.


A source on the AoT board said shops would have to be removed so the overall commercial area matched the space allowed by the contract.

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Date: 26 January 2007
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Old January 26th, 2007, 11:33 AM   #1114
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What the hell went wrong with Suvarnabhumi?

OMG! This is horrible news!

What the hell went wrong with Suvarnabhumi?

I thought it was really a major milestone for Thailand that this airport-in-the-making for more than 40 years running was opened last year. I was awe-struck by its architectural marvel. Heck, I once even thought that Beijing's Terminal 3 didn't have a chance to surpass this terminal in size and beauty.

Alas! This news comes...

What?!

It's such a shame and a waste that the Thai government spent a lot of money on this project from conception, planning, and development (construction) and yet, the perfect turned out to have lots of faulty construction and operation problems.

I just wish the Airport Authority of Thailand can solve these problems the soonest time possible.
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Old January 26th, 2007, 12:02 PM   #1115
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This is all about politics that makes a little problem to be a bigger and more serious than it should be, only to discredit the former Thaksin government.
Please believe that the Suvarnabhumi airport is still a great airport.
Many Thai are just boring with the military junta who always think how they can get rid of Thaksin and make the people who had supported Thaksin government to forget him.
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Old January 26th, 2007, 12:11 PM   #1116
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The following Chinese Idiom really describe the Suvarnabhumi airport:

"Beautiful skin covers the rotten meat"
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Is the New Bangkok (Suvarnabhumi) International Airport really that bad in person?
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Old January 26th, 2007, 12:28 PM   #1118
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Is the New Bangkok (Suvarnabhumi) International Airport really that bad in person?
Major service is good, but this airport did very badly during the planning and construction. For others, just as you said in your second last passage.
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Old January 28th, 2007, 03:16 AM   #1119
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The following Chinese Idiom really describe the Suvarnabhumi airport:

"Beautiful skin covers the rotten meat"
it is really sad...but you're on the mark. The airport is stunning but I had doubts of the layout of the airport...somehow, I find that it could be somewhat chaotic to manouvre around the airport. Parents have flown there and quite impressed with the architecure of the airport but bit dismayed by the construction quality and choices of material used to part of the roofings...not quite suitable for a country with hot climate, and high ceilings (impressive but way to high and the ac wasn't workin quite well)...hope they fix thing quick...the airport does not need anymore bad publicity...
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Old January 28th, 2007, 06:20 AM   #1120
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A certain local newspaper is really out to destroy the credibility of this airport. Its a sweat revenge for them being sued (and one of their editor got fired) and for all the compensation damages they had to pay.
This is nothing to do with reporting facts. Adding bits of information to make up story/ It's really about personally vandetta and it's unethical.

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The following Chinese Idiom really describe the Suvarnabhumi airport:

"Beautiful skin covers the rotten meat"
and have you heard of a "chinese whisper"?
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