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Old February 14th, 2007, 06:21 AM   #1161
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or make don muang as bangkok's airport for domestic and chartered flights and start building suvarnabhumi's 2nd phase and LCC terminal.

You are correct, I want to add my comment that all low cost international airlines and Thai domestic airlines will move back to the old airport (Don Muang). chartered flight will be included there, too. Don Muang's reopening will let Thai AirAsia to take over the airport as its business hub, without having to invest in the infrastructure. Thai International Airway remains Suvarnabhumi for international routes only. Also, new low cost terminal expansion at Suvarnabhumi Airport's site will be postponed second phase purposal plans to build by up to 5 years instead of next year due to reopening Don Muang's operation. This will reduce numbers of passengers and air traffic congestions by 20 to 25 percent at Suvarnabhumi Airport to allow workers repair all problems after Don Muang's operation starts very soon.
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An airliner moves past a damaged section of a taxiway at Suvarnabhumi Airport on the outskirts of Bangkok
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Old February 15th, 2007, 08:21 AM   #1163
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i also forgot to say suvarnabhumi will have some domestic flights out of it, like Bangkok-Phuket and Bangkok-Chiang Mai routes of thai international airways as those are the routes which are frequented by the foreign tourists and phuket and chiang mai are tourist spots too. having those routes will be convenient for foreign tourists so that they will no longer have to get out of suvarnabhumi just to get to a connecting flight in don muang
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Old February 16th, 2007, 09:23 AM   #1164
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Star Alliance shuns relocating to Bangkok's old airport
16 February 2007

BANGKOK, Thailand (AP) - Star Alliance, the largest airline alliance serving Thailand, shunned the government's proposal to return to the country's old international airport, saying Friday it prefers to keep international flights at Bangkok's recently opened Suvarnabhumi Airport.

Nine airlines affiliated with Star Alliance serve Bangkok, including Thai Airways, All Nippon Airways, Austrian Airlines, Asiana Airlines, Lufthansa, Scandinavian Airlines, Singapore Airlines, Swiss International Air Lines and United Airlines.

The statement issued by Star Alliance was the latest negative reaction by the airline industry to a government proposal to reopen Bangkok's old Don Muang airport to serve as a second international hub for the capital.

The Cabinet has approved reopening Don Muang to ease congestion at the sleek and modern Suvarnabhumi Airport, which reopened in September and already needs repairs on several taxiways and the main terminal. The problems were caused by design flaws and alleged corruption during its building but pose no safety threat, the government says.

Thai Airways was the first to say earlier this week that it saw no need to divide its international flights between two airports, a move that could prove confusing to travelers and seemed unnecessary, since Suvarnabhumi was "safe for operation."

Star Alliance said in a statement Friday its members "fully endorse" the decision of Thai Airways and all its members have signaled their intention to stay "under one roof at the new Suvarnabhumi Airport."

Transport Minister Thira Hao-Charoen met Thursday with airlines and said most preferred to keep international flights at Suvarnabhumi because of the cost and complications of returning to Don Muang.

He said budget carriers had expressed interest in returning to Don Muang, where the fees are cheaper.

Regardless of the government's final decision, the old airport at Don Muang will be ready for reopening on March 25 both for domestic and international operations, said Kulya Pakakrong, acting president of Airports of Thailand, the operator of both airports.
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Old February 17th, 2007, 09:28 AM   #1165
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Airlines adamant about staying at Suvarnabhumi

Representatives of international airlines are meeting today in Bangkok after they threatened to halt flights to Thailand rather than move back to the old Don Muang airport.

Board of Airline Representatives president Brian Sinclair-Thompson, speaking for more than 60 carriers, told the media on Friday night:

"Some members are going to review their commitment to continue their services from Thailand if they are forced to split operations to serve two airports.''

The statement forces a standoff between the airlines who insist on staying at Suvarnabhumi Airport on one hand, and the government which wants to increase flights at Don Muang and repair problem-plagued Suvarnabhumi.

Prime Minister Surayud Chulanont has announced he will personally take over the handling of problems related to Suvarnabhumi.

On March 25, a total of only 71 flights are to begin using Don Muang. They include all flights by budget airlines Nok Air and One Two Go, and a handful of Thai Airways domestic flights

The Murphy Jahn/TAMS/ACT (MJTA) consortium which built Suvarbabhumi claimed on Friday that the new airport's design met with all the requirements of the terms of reference it had signed with Airport of Thailand.

But Wanchai Wimuktayon, managing director of ACT Consultants Co, which is part of the MJTA, also said the design had been modified during construction to cut costs.

The consortium claims to be confident that the new airport is safe enough for all passengers and staff working in the facility, and all airlines agree.
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Old February 18th, 2007, 10:57 AM   #1166
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An airliner moves past a damaged section of a taxiway at Suvarnabhumi Airport on the outskirts of Bangkok
It's not like it looks like that because of damage itself. The junta wants to dig up the whole place in order to discredit the previous PM. Non independent news agencies photshop images (like the exaggerated indent/dust on the taxiway) for political reasons. Thailand has now joined the many other non-democratic Asian/ME countries.
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Old February 19th, 2007, 04:39 AM   #1167
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Jo is exactly right! All of this mess is due to a political game. The airport itself would be fine if the previous "democratic" government is still in charge. Since the coup attempt, Thailand had gone through hell. All the shit news about Suvarnabhumi Airport came from the current junta government source. They are trying to discredit the previous prime minister.

I'm sorry for talking about politic in here, but I think that these two issues are directly related.

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Old February 21st, 2007, 01:32 AM   #1168
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BKK Suvarnabhumi Airport is SAFE

Bangkok Post
Wednesday February 21, 2007

Fears should be 'put to rest', say airlines
Pilots show vote of confidence for airport

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Travel through Suvarnabhumi Airport, despite a host of problems including damage to runways and taxiways, is as safe as passing through any other international airport, according to industry experts. Airline managers and pilots who operate flights through Bangkok's new airport have spoken out to reassure the public in response to serious doubts that have arisen over the safety of the 125-billion-baht airport.

They said persistent allegations, particularly from Bannawit Kengrian, chairman of the National Legislative Assembly's committee on Suvarnabhumi airport, were groundless and had been forwarded by uninformed individuals.

About 90 international airlines that operate more than 800 flights carrying around 120,000 passengers each day through the airport. They have reportedly never questioned the airport's safety. But critics have seeded doubt in the public mind over landing and takeoff safety issues.

Thai Airways International, Japan Airlines International (JAL) and Bangkok Airways have all expressed a vote of confidence over the safety of Suvarnabhumi.

''We are confident [about airport safety], and I am speaking from the perspective of a veteran pilot,'' said THAI president Apinan Sumanasen, who has been piloting commercial aircraft since 1972.

''From what I have seen so far, there is nothing to worry about (in the airport), although there are problems of passenger inconvenience such as crowded check-in areas and the long walk to boarding gates,'' he said.

He ruled out scenarios such as the chance of the runway suddenly collapsing at the touchdown of an aircraft, as some people had suggested.

''That is impossible. The problems are ruts on the surfaces of the runways and taxiways, while the underground structure remains okay,'' he explained.

He added that no THAI pilot had ever filed a report about potential dangers of using the runways and taxiways.

Seiichi Iwasaki, JAL's Southeast Asian regional manager, also dispelled concerns about Suvarnabhumi's safety.

''We have no worries. Our pilots have confirmed that it is all right to operate through Suvarnabhumi,'' he told the Bangkok Post.

The Japanese airline manager said the cracks at Suvarnabhumi were not unusual. ''Big airports in Japan such as Kansai (Osaka) and Haneda (Tokyo) also have similar problems,'' the Bangkok-based executive noted.

He said that JAL, which operates five daily flights to Japan with a combined seating capacity of 1,610 passengers, had its own experts conduct a safety check of the airport and found everything up to scratch.

''We have never been concerned about the safety of Suvarnabhumi,'' added Puttipong Prasarttong-Osoth, senior executive vice-president of Bangkok Airways.

''In the aviation industry, we never compromise on safety. If there were any doubts [from the agencies concerned] they would not hesitate to tell us,'' said Mr Puttipong, who has been a pilot since 1992.

''I think the doubts, which came from people who are not knowledgeable, should be put to rest now,'' he said, adding that the public should stop paying attention to those kinds of comments and start listening to more authoritative sources.

He was referring to an airport investigating team led by engineer Tortrakul Yomnak, which recently concluded that damages caused by underground water seepage were not that serious and could be repaired in two weeks to one month.

More than 100 cracks have appeared in Suvarnabhumi's runways and taxiways due to subsidence thought to be the result of poor drainage and shoddy materials.

The airport has also been mired in other problems, including corruption claims and complaints about inadequate toilets and other facilities.

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Old February 21st, 2007, 02:21 AM   #1169
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BKK is business as usual...

OK I am fully aware that there's another thread about this airport and there have been a fiery discussion about the whole airport saga.

I know there are still problems remaining to be solved and the whole project could have done better from the start but I cannot help but feel that the title of the other thread is way too sensationalised and the whole safety issue has been blown out of proportion.

While I wholly understand that in terms of the aesthetic or architectural values, a lot really depends on individual's taste. Although some of the comments are harsh and undeserving, the Thai forumers welcome your thoughts anyway. However, in terms of safety, there's truly no need to further tarnish its reputation by passing unhelpful comments based on news sources alone. So unless one's an expert in the field currently investigating the issue, it'd be rather irresponsible for him or her to hastily pass off comments and draw conclusions unless these are backed by a first-person involvement or sound civil engineering principles.

As is always the case, the bad news has already run around the globe three times while the good news is still tying its shoe laces. What if the whole "facing partial closure" hoo-ha turns out to be wrong while the so-called "poor construction" can be meticulously rectified without disrupting most of its day-to-day operations? Will someone do the airport justice by announcing to the "Airports & Aviation" thread that all the fuss have been going on for nothing? In a world where responsible / quality journalism is hard to come by, the bad news always get a head start, so please consider these damaging bad press with a pinch of salt.

I understand that the new Bangkok airport does have some PR issues and certain management problems, but rest assured, the Thais are diligently trying to sort things out and make it world class within our limited resources. I expect many to disagree with me but I welcome your constructive arguments on that anyway.

In short, even if you do not like the way it looks or how the name is hard to pronounce, please be assured that this airport is safe for travelling. By the way, it is becoming highly likely that this airport will remain open and certainly no "partial closure" as claimed.

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Old February 21st, 2007, 05:31 AM   #1170
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Foreign tourist arrivals rise in Bangkok despite upsets

BANGKOK, Feb 19, 2007 (AFP) - The number of foreign tourists arriving in Bangkok increased by two percent last month compared to one year ago, despite troubles at the Thai capital's new airport, figures released Monday show.

Arrivals at Suvarnabhumi Airport, which opened to much fanfare last September but has since been beset by problems, hit 913,073 in January this year, compared to 894,772 arrivals at the decades-old Don Muang in January 2006.

Don Muang was officially closed for all but a handful of charter flights, but cracks in the runway at Suvarnabhumi have prompted the government to announce they will re-open the old hub and operate two airports.

"The figures show that even as the country is facing some problems, our market is resilient," Tourism Authority of Thailand spokesman Chattan Kunkara Na Ayudhaya told AFP.

However, Chattan said that conflicting signals from the government about whether its plans for Don Muang would likely confuse passengers and airlines rather than boosting numbers.

After a revolt by international airlines against returning to Don Muang, the government last week backtracked on a plan to make the airport a second international hub.

Thailand now plans to re-open Don Muang only to domestic flights, even though only a handful of airlines are committed to the idea.

Industry experts are also concerned that a coup in September last year and a series of bomb blasts on December 31 that killed three and injured 42 -- including nine foreigners -- could impact tourism.

There was some indication of jitters in the market, with arrivals from east Asia down nearly 8.0 percent in January 2007 on the same month last year, and arrivals from the Americas falling 3.3 percent.

Of the overall arrivals in 2006, the biggest increase was from the Middle East, which saw a 33 percent leap in the visitors flying into Bangkok. There was also a 23 percent increase in visitors from Africa.

However most arrivals in 2006 -- nearly five million -- came from other east Asian nations.
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Old February 21st, 2007, 07:08 AM   #1171
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Hold the phone. If Suvarnabhumi Airport is safe, then why aren't the cracks in the runways being taken care of?
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Old February 21st, 2007, 10:39 AM   #1172
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I think the truth is, as usual, somewhere in the gray middle area. The airport isn't perfect and does suffer some damages, but it isn't going to collapse into a gigantic sinkhole.
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Old February 21st, 2007, 01:34 PM   #1173
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Hold the phone. If Suvarnabhumi Airport is safe, then why aren't the cracks in the runways being taken care of?
As far as i understand, the cracks will be repared in a few weeks time (before March). Before this, investigations were made into the cause of the taxiway damage, and conclusions were that those 'crack' were shallow and does not cause a safety concern. Nevertheless, the contractor says that the project is still covered by insurance and the taxiways will be resurfaced at no extra cost.

If I'm not wrong, it's largely the compacted ground saturated with water beneath the tarmac that resulted in cracks. Therefore, better drainage is needed to permanently solve the issue.

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Old March 6th, 2007, 01:14 PM   #1174
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Thai Airways to switch most domestic flights to Bangkok's old airport
1 March 2007

BANGKOK, Thailand (AP) - Thai Airways will begin operating 30 daily domestic flights from Bangkok's old Don Muang airport starting March 25, an airline official said Thursday.

The national carrier will maintain six daily flights at the new international airport, Suvarnabhumi, between Bangkok and the northern city of Chiang Mai and two popular islands, Phuket and Krabi, said Thai Airways President Apinan Sumanaseni.

The announcement by Thailand's national carrier came a week after the government approved the reopening of Don Muang to ease congestion at Suvarnabhumi, which opened in September but needs repairs to taxiways and in the main terminal.

Apinan said all the flights being transferred to Don Muang will be domestic-bound routes that do not transfer to international flights.

Critics have objected to reopening Don Muang, saying it will be confusing to tourists and could cause logistical problems shuttling between the two because of Bangkok's legendary traffic jams.

Transport Minister Thira Hao-Charoen said last month that three budget airlines -- Nok Air, One-Two-Go and PB Air -- were also planning to operate domestic flights from Don Muang.
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Bangkok's old airport will be ready for domestic flights by March 25
15 March 2007

BANGKOK, Thailand (AP) - Bangkok's old international airport would be ready to reopen later this month to ease congestion at the new international facility which has been plagued by problems including taxiway cracks, an official said Thursday.

"The taxiways, runways and all facilities at Don Muang airport are ready to resume operations by March 25," said Deputy Transport Minister Sansern Wongcha-um.

The government had earlier approved a plan to reopen the old airport, Don Muang, to operate along with the new international airport, Suvarnabhumi, which opened in September but has been hampered by repair work on cracks in the taxiways and runways.

The US$3.8 billion (euro2.9 billion) Suvarnabhumi project was intended to be Southeast Asia's leading air hub. Instead it has become a national embarrassment, with widely publicized problems that also include a shortage of toilets, dozens of design flaws and a long list of corruption allegations.

National carrier Thai Airways International, along with two budget airlines -- Nok Air and One-Two-Go -- will transfer domestic flights to the 90-year-old Don Muang airport, which will handle about 150 domestic flights a day, Sansern said.

Around 70 percent of Thai Airways flights will operate from the old airport, he said, adding that the ministry expects roughly 20,000 passengers a day during the early phase of service resumption.

Thai Airways International said earlier that all the flights being transferred will be domestic-bound routes that do not transfer to international flights.

Critics have objected to reopening Don Muang, saying it could confuse tourists and cause problems as visitors are shuttled between the two airports through Bangkok's legendary traffic jams.
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thanks, any more pics ?
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i cant be bothered clicking to see them you should just post them original size
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Suvarnabhumi not among the world’s best

Despite its advantage as the world’s newest airport, the gleaming Suvarnabhumi Airport was not counted among the best in the latest major global passenger poll.

However, rival regional airports including Singapore Changi and Kuala Lumpur International Airport (KLIA) continue to remain high on the list of top 10 Airports of the Year for 2007.

The survey conducted by the UKbased aviation research organisation Skytrax placed Hong Kong International Airport (HKIA) first, followed by Seoul Incheon Airport and Changi tied for second place (see table).

KLIA rose to fifth place from sixth last year, according to 7.8 million detailed passenger surveys covering 170 airports conducted over an 11-month period.

The absence of Suvarnabhumi in the Skytrax list did not surprise the aviation industry in light of service-quality complaints that have plagued the 155-billionbaht airport since it opened in September last year.

‘‘Suvarnabhumi Airport itself is not too bad to get it into the top-ten list, but the problem that is holding it back is the poor airport management that hassles passengers,’’ said one 30-year veteran of Thailand’s airline business.

Long immigration lines, poor signage and a shortage of toilets are among some the critical problems that have not been effectively dealt with and continue to prevent the airport management from meeting a goal to create high quality passenger service standards.

‘‘Fixing problems at Suvarnabhumi are painfully slow as senior AoT (Airports of Thailand Plc) officials are too occupied protecting themselves from scandals involving irregularities and alleged corruption cases rather than being able to devote themselves to solve day-to-day works like fixing problems at the airport,’’ he noted.

Meanwhile, the airport’s rivals are constantly challenging themselves to provide better services. Suvarnabhumi ‘‘needs a lot of catching up’’, he added.

Passengers participating in the Skytrax survey said they wanted easy use and short waiting times.

‘‘Travellers expect security processing to incur some delays,’’ said Skytrax chief executive Edward Plaisted. ‘‘But they are disappointed — and often annoyed — if the security facilities are inadequate.

‘‘Waiting in line for 30 minutes to find that only half of the available security scanners were open was a frequently stated complaint.’’

Poor services caused London Heathrow Airport to fall from 45th to 103rd in the rankings, while Frankfurt dropped to 94th from 48th.

The survey covers more than 40 categories of product and service quality, including terminal cleanliness, staff efficiency and courtesy, terminal signage and walking distances. Shopping, dining options and internet services are also taken into account. Security processing and immigration waiting times also featured prominently in the survey.

Hong Kong has taken the Best Airport title many times in the past. Its return to the top this year is a testimony to its quality services, efficient delivery and consistency, said Mr Plaisted.

BY: BOONSONG KOSITCHOTETHANA (BANGKOK POST)
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More pics of this airport in the following threads:

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=447638

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=418535
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