Official Liverpool Thread 4

[Damon]

Originally Posted by Accura_Preston

we are the only team in England to still be playing at our origional football ground.

That's a load of footballs mate. Loads of teams still play at their original ground.

Just for starters, the second oldest club IN THE WORLD - Hallam FC in Sheffield - still play at their original ground.

[tommygunn]

Originally Posted by Damon

That's a load of footballs mate. Loads of teams still play at their original ground.

Just for starters, the second oldest club IN THE WORLD - Hallam FC in Sheffield - still play at their original ground.

whos the oldest club ever?

[Awayo]

These Lottery Funded museums need to be thought through better.

The pop museum perhaps epitomised how they often went wrong. Sheffield was due for its slice of Lottery largesse (and fair enough - it's a fairly big city and has regeneration needs). So, a city that currently gets relatively low numbers of visitors ended up with a museum whose theme had little connection to in people's minds to Sheffield and drew nothing from Sheffield's history or culture. Sheffield people had no "dialogue" with it and, therefore, stayed away and no one would choose to visit Sheffield to visit museum to a branch of culture that as little to do with Sheffield.

Placing the Royal Armouries in Leeds (a successful city, but medieval armour: Leeds?) was a similar mistake. The museum's content has nothing to do with Leeds' people and has also had disappoining visitor numbers. Even the Imp War Mus in Trafford has not been a runway success so far, whereas the locally inspired Lowry is.

Near Sheffield, however, the Magma centre that is rooted in that region's history of smelting, forging and metal bashing has been relatively successful.

Likewise, the museum of Liverpool life and the M'side Maritime museum are all about Liverpool. A large proportion of Liverpool's visitors are there for the Beatles. However, visitors to Liverpool who are interested in the city's history of the slave trade, commerce or emigration will want to see these museum as this history is why they are in the city. Likewise, Liverpool people who want to understand their own family's history and that of their own city would want to come also.

The football museum in Preston's lack of success needs to be thought of in this context - Preston does not receive many vistors and, although I know that there is a connection between that part of world and the birth of league soccer, there isn't a strong link in people's minds between football and Preston and no real sense of particular ownership in Prestonian's minds for the museum's contents.

Soccer mad foreign tourists who visit the UK are going to want to go to Old Trafford and Anfield, maybe, and wouldn't think of going to Preston. Basically, it's not Preston's fault, but the museum is in the wrong place.

[tommygunn]

prestons history is just that ancient history.

[Damon]

Originally Posted by tommygunn

whos the oldest club ever?

Sheffield FC - it's just that they don't play at their original ground any more.

Makes you wonder if they just stood around twiddling their thumbs until Hallam FC was formed.

http://www.sheffieldfc.com/

[Dicky Sam's]

Originally Posted by Damon

Makes you wonder if they just stood around twiddling their thumbs until Hallam FC was formed.

http://www.sheffieldfc.com/

What year was Sheffield FC formed then?

[Damon]

1857 according to their website. Hallam started in 1860. The history bit on that site is quite interesting as it explains who they did actually used to play - click on the player with the number 3 shirt to find it!

Originally Posted by Damon

Sheffield FC - it's just that they don't play at their original ground any more.

Makes you wonder if they just stood around twiddling their thumbs until Hallam FC was formed.

http://www.sheffieldfc.com/

Sheffield FC now play in Dronfield, 5 minutes down the road: I went there last year!

Did you also know that my mate's workmate joined the club recently: he is now the youngest ever player for the oldest football club in the world!

Hallam FC are the second oldest, and they still play at their original home in Sandygate Lane (just off the Snake Pass when you enter Sheffield). This the ground the oldest continually occupied football ground in the world.

[Accura4Matalan]

Originally Posted by tommygunn

prestons history is just that ancient history.

So what? Teams go up and down all the time. Neither Liverpool or Everton will be in the Premiership forever. Soton just got relegated, and Wigan got into the Premiership. Nobody would have thought it 5/6 years ago.

Awayo, I agree with most of what you said but the FM has not been lacking in success. It struggled at the start, but since the museum has been made free visitor numbers have greatly increased and are still increasing.
Also, dont assume that if FM was in Liverpool, that it would all be about Liverpool and Everton. There is a tiny section of the FM dedicated to PNE within the museum and a viewpoint over Deepdale housed in the floodlight.
And I admit, I was surprised when they decided to have the football museum in Preston cos I know that we arnt exactly a top tourist destination. But all cities have to start somewhere. If that wasnt the case, then everything would be being built in London. The museum itself is really good. The collection is huge and its frequently in the news for getting more. They also have a whole floor of interactive stuff (including digital table football and presenting your own 'Match of the Day') so its something to be pretty proud of. It would get more visitors if the stupid Highways Agency would allow the council to put brown signs on the M6, M61, M65 and M55.

Originally Posted by Dicky Sam

You're the one making up these bold statements Accy. You've got nothing to back them up though have you.

Liverpool were formed in 1892 and have never played their home games anywhere else but Anfield.

You shouldnt make up facts Accy. You might be able blag your way through your Home Economics GCSE exam but you cant blag your way past the clued-up scouseologists on skyscrapercity.

I didnt make it up. I read it (albeit on www.visitpreston.com ) and if I'm wrong fair enough. And its not exactly unlike the Liverpool forumers for making things up lol.

[Accura4Matalan]

BTW Dicky, apologies for the rather 'i couldnt give a toss' reply to your origional post. Go to the Preston thread and check out the timetable on www.aqa.org.uk to see why I have far bigger worries than a slight bump in funding at FM.
And its not 'Home Economics'... its 'Food Technology'

[Red scouser]

City's £54m revamp plan finalised (BBC, June 15 2005)

Plans for a £54m revamp of a rundown part of Liverpool will go before city councillors this month.

The scheme would include the renovation of more than 3,000 houses as part of a 10-year improvement scheme for Toxteth.

The Princes Park Renewal Area would run from Devonshire Road to Kingsley Road and Upper Parliament Street to Devonshire Road.

If approved by Liverpool City Council's executive board - which meets on 24 June - work will start later this year.

Executive member for housing, Councillor Flo Clucas called the proposals great news for residents, adding 63% of people living in the area have an income lower than £10,000 a year, and only a quarter work full-time.

"Almost a third of all properties in this area are likely to fail government decency standards and thanks to feedback from local people we know that they share the same aspirations of other residents in the city," she said.

"They want worn-out housing demolished, and they want to live in a home with a garden that is big enough to support a family."

Funding would come from the government's Housing Market Renewal Initiative, with a contribution from the council's capital programme.

However, proposals to demolish around 460 Victorian terraces properties in the Welsh streets - built mainly to house migrant dockers - have met opposition.

The Liverpool Welsh Society is pressing to retain them as part of the city's Welsh heritage.

Householders affected would be compensated and offered re-housing locally, given specialist advice and tenants possibly helped to become home-owners, the council said.

The authority added no-one will have to leave the neighbourhood unless they choose to do so.

[Blabbernsmoke]

Originally Posted by Awayo

These Lottery Funded museums need to be thought through better.

The pop museum perhaps epitomised how they often went wrong. Sheffield was due for its slice of Lottery largesse (and fair enough - it's a fairly big city and has regeneration needs). So, a city that currently gets relatively low numbers of visitors ended up with a museum whose theme had little connection to in people's minds to Sheffield and drew nothing from Sheffield's history or culture. Sheffield people had no "dialogue" with it and, therefore, stayed away and no one would choose to visit Sheffield to visit museum to a branch of culture that as little to do with Sheffield.

Placing the Royal Armouries in Leeds (a successful city, but medieval armour: Leeds?) was a similar mistake. The museum's content has nothing to do with Leeds' people and has also had disappoining visitor numbers. Even the Imp War Mus in Trafford has not been a runway success so far, whereas the locally inspired Lowry is.

Near Sheffield, however, the Magma centre that is rooted in that region's history of smelting, forging and metal bashing has been relatively successful.

Likewise, the museum of Liverpool life and the M'side Maritime museum are all about Liverpool. A large proportion of Liverpool's visitors are there for the Beatles. However, visitors to Liverpool who are interested in the city's history of the slave trade, commerce or emigration will want to see these museum as this history is why they are in the city. Likewise, Liverpool people who want to understand their own family's history and that of their own city would want to come also.

The football museum in Preston's lack of success needs to be thought of in this context - Preston does not receive many vistors and, although I know that there is a connection between that part of world and the birth of league soccer, there isn't a strong link in people's minds between football and Preston and no real sense of particular ownership in Prestonian's minds for the museum's contents.

Soccer mad foreign tourists who visit the UK are going to want to go to Old Trafford and Anfield, maybe, and wouldn't think of going to Preston. Basically, it's not Preston's fault, but the museum is in the wrong place.

Interesting post Awayo. It reminds me of the Dr Who museum in Llangollen, North Wales. I went there a few years ago, purely because I was in the area and there wasn't much else on offer. I enjoyed the experience itself, but I think you're probably right. It will only be used by people who happen to be there, rather than people who go out of their way to see it. Also, I can't imagine that the rural/village folk in that area feel any real affinity for a cheap, dated science fiction programme.

[Blabbernsmoke]

Although Llangollen does receive a lot of visitors so I can't see going the same way as Pop Museum.

Perhaps Preston's Football museum will be sustained largely by the resident student population- shortly before they realise there is sod all else to do.

[ubertastico]

Pics taken through a not paricularly clean glass window, I am posting them just cos I know some people like to build up images from different perspectives, not for pic quality.

[scouserdave]

WOW!
I love pics taken from angles I've never seen before. I'm one of those saddos who'll be poring over them for days to cum

Thanks

[Scarecrow]

For a minute there I thought I could see three Alfred Waterhouse designed buildings in the third pic but I'm probably mistaken. A pint for the person who can circle the one building I'm not sure about!

[scouserdave]

Originally Posted by Bunnyman

For a minute there I thought I could see three Alfred Waterhouse designed buildings in the third pic but I'm probably mistaken. A pint for the person who can circle the one building I'm not sure about!

Surprised you missed it Mark. It's obviously this little beauty

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[tommygunn]

some good pictures there from this lad welll done.

[the golden vision]

Originally Posted by Bunnyman

For a minute there I thought I could see three Alfred Waterhouse designed buildings in the third pic but I'm probably mistaken. A pint for the person who can circle the one building I'm not sure about!

Your right Bunnyman. The University building,the Great Western Hotel and you can just see the spire of the Pearl Assurance building on St John's lane. The prudential on Dale st is just out of the picture.

[Scarecrow]

Pint for Alex Young!