Paradise Street Development Area Thread 2

[Liverdude]

On the main page it says North East corner of the park but in his post on the Tall Buildings thread roskovsky said:

Just a quick note to all to reveal that Cesar Pelli look like planning a 17 story residential on the NW corner of the Park in the PSDA masterplan - that is, right next to the Halifax 'building' on the Strand. Looking very good and currently seeking a developer partner.

[DJ Billy]

Yeah, I think they must mean NW corner. That site has been slated for a tallish apartment or hotel building from early on, and Pelli has been masterplanning the park too

[Scarecrow]

That pic appears to be the NW corner. The building behind looks a lot like the law courts.

[Liverdude]

^That's just where I think it is, i'm porbably wrong!

[woody]

Originally Posted by DJ Billy

Yeah, I think they must mean NW corner. That site has been slated for a tallish apartment or hotel building from early on, and Pelli has been masterplanning the park too

A Cesar Pelli building in Liverpool, should be good, if it faces the Strand the height should not be a problem. Should it meet with disapproval, I wonder if Lady D has the BALLS to reject it.

[woody]

Originally Posted by Bunnyman

That pic appears to be the NW corner. The building behind looks a lot like the law courts.

Plot 12 facing the Strand with the entrance ramps to the underground car park running under this plot. A 17 mike Pelli building here will look stunning and should tie in well with the Pelli designed Chavasse Park. The city are looking to increase heights ( hard to believe ) and density along the Strand and we now await the long overdue plans for Kingston House on the corner of James St.

[TheMerseyOrange]

Originally Posted by woody

A 17 mike Pelli building here will look stunning...

Like Hell it will! The damned thing will ruin the critical strategic view of the (apparently) peerless St John's Beacon and any potential Lime St cluster from Woodside. How do I complain???

[Scarecrow]

Explain that you're from the Wirral. Simple. LCC often put Wiggle views ahead of the needs of its own ratepayers.

[Doug Roberts]

Great progress being made by Grosvenor, just don't let LCC anywhere near, check this link out. I'll have to get to town for some photos.

http://icliverpool.icnetwork.co.uk/0...name_page.html

[woody]

Originally Posted by TheMerseyOrange

Like Hell it will! The damned thing will ruin the critical strategic view of the (apparently) peerless St John's Beacon and any potential Lime St cluster from Woodside. How do I complain???

Like hell it will look STUNNING, from the Strand, to hell with your ruined views from Woodside Short memory MO you ruined our view of the Wirral when you blew up the CL cranes

[Doug Roberts]

I remember that programme when they blew up the cranes on the CL slipway, it was quite a sad passing of an era.

I would love to see a Cesar Pelli project like the one in Milan, projects, masterplan, Citta della moda.

http://www.cesar-pelli.com/flash.cfm

[DJ Billy]

Originally Posted by Doug Roberts

I remember that programme when they blew up the cranes on the CL slipway, it was quite a sad passing of an era.

I would love to see a Cesar Pelli project like the one in Milan, projects, masterplan, Citta della moda.

http://www.cesar-pelli.com/flash.cfm

Cool photo of Miami on his homepage. I'm tempted to go back there later this year.

[DJ Billy]

Looking at the Milan masterplan you can see the same sort of elements as on the Chavasse Park masterplan.

[TheMerseyOrange]

Originally Posted by woody

Like hell it will look STUNNING, from the Strand, to hell with your ruined views from Woodside Short memory MO you ruined our view of the Wirral when you blew up the CL cranes

Good job I know that you know I'm only messing! The new building will no doubt look great but it would work out better skyline-wise with one modest change. If the Halifax building were demolished and the new Pelli block built there instead, that small shift to the left (just imagine you still live over here ) would mean the blocking out of the undistinguished law courts with something superior and still leave the Lime Street cluster virtually free of obstruction. See, that Halifax thing is the root of all evil!

One thing struck me today whilst looking at a map of the city. If all of these contentious projects currently on the table were allowed to proceed then they would all be visible from Woodside without seriously obscuring either each other or any existing buildings. So you could sit there on a bench and see, in sequence, Alexandra Tower, City Lofts, King Edward, Beetham 1, West Tower, 100 OHS, City Tower, RSA, Unity, St Nicks, Pierhead group, the Pelli block, St Johns, Gateway Tower, Chieftain, Central Station, the Met Cathedral, Greenberg, L1 apartments, KD arena, Anglican Cathedral, KD towers and finally Brunswick Quay. The only questionable one would be the mystery "plot 7" scheme on Princes dock which would seriously compromise the view of RSA.

All in all, a pretty good view and even better with a liner or two as well!.

[woody]

Originally Posted by TheMerseyOrange

Good job I know that you know I'm only messing! The new building will no doubt look great but it would work out better skyline-wise with one modest change. If the Halifax building were demolished and the new Pelli block built there instead, that small shift to the left (just imagine you still live over here ) would mean the blocking out of the undistinguished law courts with something superior and still leave the Lime Street cluster virtually free of obstruction. See, that Halifax thing is the root of all evil!

One thing struck me today whilst looking at a map of the city. If all of these contentious projects currently on the table were allowed to proceed then they would all be visible from Woodside without seriously obscuring either each other or any existing buildings. So you could sit there on a bench and see, in sequence, Alexandra Tower, City Lofts, King Edward, Beetham 1, West Tower, 100 OHS, City Tower, RSA, Unity, St Nicks, Pierhead group, the Pelli block, St Johns, Gateway Tower, Chieftain, Central Station, the Met Cathedral, Greenberg, L1 apartments, KD arena, Anglican Cathedral, KD towers and finally Brunswick Quay. The only questionable one would be the mystery "plot 7" scheme on Princes dock which would seriously compromise the view of RSA.

All in all, a pretty good view and even better with a liner or two as well!.

What !!! I didn`t know you were messing, now you tell me

Your observations re: city scape when viewed from "over the water" is very interesting, perhaps our esteemed councillors from both sides should be made aware that all the proposed towers would not compromise the sacred views they all seem to panic about (when it suits them) but enhance the waterfront.

Agree with you about the Halifax dolls house, this silly little block will look rediculous when both north and south of the Strand consists of new blocks 10 to 17 mikes high.

[jetsetwilly]

Originally Posted by TheMerseyOrange

The only questionable one would be the mystery "plot 7" scheme on Princes dock which would seriously compromise the view of RSA.

You say that like it's a bad thing

[Pietari]

Originally Posted by woody

What !!! I didn`t know you were messing, now you tell me

Your observations re: city scape when viewed from "over the water" is very interesting, perhaps our esteemed councillors from both sides should be made aware that all the proposed towers would not compromise the sacred views they all seem to panic about (when it suits them) but enhance the waterfront.

Agree with you about the Halifax dolls house, this silly little block will look rediculous when both north and south of the Strand consists of new blocks 10 to 17 mikes high.

Possibly the low point of `Waterfront` (sic) redevelopment ..... although dunno though.

[woody]

Originally Posted by Pietari

Possibly the low point of `Waterfront` (sic) redevelopment ..... although dunno though.

Spot on Pietari, you don`t need "specsavers" do you

[John Matrix 1985]

Wonder if anyone would be able to do a mock-up of the waterfront with all these proposed projects placed in?, I've seen a few on this site before. Could send it to the council to show them how amazing the waterfront would look if all the projects they knock back are approved.

[pjmulholland]

When I walked past yesterday I noticed Merseytravel transfers and logos had been applied to the bus station. We are obviously nearing its completion. Hurrah!