Princes Dock Development Thread

[gothicform]

alexandra tower is on plot 12?

[Paul D]

Originally Posted by gothicform

do we have a developer for this project?

We don't know much yet.

[JUXTAPOL]

Originally Posted by gothicform

alexandra tower is on plot 12?

That's correct, with Malmaison hotel/residential on plot 5 currently starting site prep.


With Plots 2, 3a, 3b, 11a, 11b. empty sites. Plot 3c is some sort of site access, as that side of Princess dock is bounded by a tall, listed wall.

Princess dock site plan

[bustcapl]

this is a potentailly huge development, is princes dock a designated tall buildings area, not that it matters like.

I can see the boys freshly inking the rejection stamp!!!

[westisbest]

just imagine though if all these new projects get built in the princes' dock area, what a welcome to visitors on cruise ships

[woody]

Originally Posted by bustcapl

this is a potentailly huge development, is princes dock a designated tall buildings area, not that it matters like.

I can see the boys freshly inking the rejection stamp!!!

The original masterplan that juxtapol kindly posted, shows only an 11 mike tower, for this latest plan to accomodate 299 apartments, 182 bed hotel and 400 space underground carpark we must be looking at 2 towers of great height. I agree with bustcap, I just cannot imagine the "height police" being happy ,its position in front of and next to the Liver Bldg. will be the main problem. If Chieftain had a bit of the" brown stuff " hitting the fan ,this proposal will have a large bucket full. I would love to see more towers around the dock, but maybe this is one plot that should stay below 10 mikes.

I may be wrong and the developers have consulted all parties and got the ok to proceed with this very ambitious plan. I wonder if the docks new owners are somewere in the background? This is just the size that would meet with their approval.

[JUXTAPOL]

Originally Posted by bustcapl
this is a potentailly huge development, is princes dock a designated tall buildings area, not that it matters like.

I can see the boys freshly inking the rejection stamp!!!

Will the council have any interest in this (similar to Concourse redevelopment, a scheme they are backing), due to it being part of the "Cruise liner stage", if so it may go smoothly like Concourse tower.

[Martin S]

There was talk of a design competition for this site. I can't imagine anything over eleven mikes getting permission - it's just too close to the Liver Building. But for this particular development to be on Princes Parade, there is only one other site available and that is to the south of Alexandra Tower - a site designated in the masterplan for offices.

[Craigie_Mann]

Is there any renderings of the "masterplan" ?

[woody]

See post 123, Juxtapol posted the link to the only master plan published. It is somewhat out of date, but does indicate the known developments

[DJ Billy]

Originally Posted by Craigie_Mann

Is there any renderings of the "masterplan" ?

There was one a few years back, but I think they just put in a few random buildings to give an idea of scale, rather than actual proposals.

[Doug Roberts]

Tower crane base ready, whehey!!

[bustcapl]

just the one tho!! :-(

[maggie]

Go-ahead in sight for £200m Mersey docks development Aug 15 2001




by Bill Gleeson, Daily Post


MERSEY Docks and Harbour Company said yesterday it expects to win planning approval for the £200m regeneration of its central docks estate next month.

While publishing its interim results yesterday, the company also said it was close to signing deals with anchor tenants for the next building at its other major property scheme at Princes Dock, adding construction work will begin there shortly.

First publicised 18 months ago, the central docks plan has been the subject of two planning applications which have been bounced back to the company by Liverpool City Council.

Revised plans will now be submitted next month, the company said.

Chief executive Peter Jones said: "It has been through the grinder several times with Liverpool City Council and other consultees and we are expecting it go for planning consent in September."

He refused to disclose which property groups want to develop the 55-acre site, which takes in 1.25 miles of waterfront north of Waterloo Dock. He said: "There is a lot of interest in residential and other potential leisure and commercial developments.

"Things just take a long time. It is inevitable. It is a site on the waterfront and will without question be the major regeneration scheme in north Liverpool. It abuts Stanley dock and the world and his wife wants to make comments on what we propose to do there."

I don't think it is appropriate to say who the developers are, as we are not at that stage yet, but if you imagine all the major house builders, they are all interested in that site."

At Princes Dock, which MDHC is developing through its joint venture company with property group David McLean, the group said it expects to sign an anchor tenant within the next few weeks.

Serviced office group Regus is known to be looking for space at Princes Dock, having been beaten by Capita for Shannon Court, the building completed last year.

Mr Jones said two third parties have offered to buy property at Princes Dock. One offer was for a completed building, while the other was for an undeveloped plot.

"Princes Dock has not had an impact on our profit and loss account yet because property tends to be slow burn and longer term. This disposal opportunity shows the potential of the site to make a return for shareholders.

"We intend to develop the full site. We will put up another two or three buildings before we dispose of the whole site."

On MDHC's port and shipping operations, the company said fears of a downturn in world trade had not dented activity yet.

Mr Jones said: "There is a deteriorating market backdrop, but we have as yet not seen any impact on trade. But we can't defy gravity and if there is a severe recession we expect some impact from that, but we don't think it will be great."

Turnover for the six months to June was up 23pc at £125.1m, while pre-tax profit was up 6pc at £29.2m.

Cargo volumes in principal trades through Liverpool had been mixed, with container traffic rising slightly to 265,000 units from 259,000 units in the same period last year.

Grain and animal feedstuffs remained unchanged at 1.3m tonnes, while roll-on/roll-off Irish Sea ferry traffic grew by 10pc to 261,000 units. MDHC added its Twelve Quays inriver ferry facility under construction at Birkenhead would be open for business by next March.

[TheMerseyOrange]

Four years is a long, long time ago....

[maggie]

oops. didnt notice that. lol

[JDN21]

Originally Posted by JUXTAPOL

That's correct, with Malmaison hotel/residential on plot 5 currently starting site prep.


With Plots 2, 3a, 3b, 11a, 11b. empty sites. Plot 3c is some sort of site access, as that side of Princess dock is bounded by a tall, listed wall.

That big horrible brick wall that makes you feel you are walking along the side of a nick is listed?! Why? Its a brick wall! If I owned Princes Dock, it would be the first thing i would get rid of.

You dont see horrible brick walls cutting Fishermans Wharf off from downtown San Francisco. That section of the city is bad enough for pedestrians, what with a dual carriageway running alongside already.

[Yapachoo]

Isn't there a hefty stone dock wall there though? Akin to the one which goes along the dock road northwards? Part of City Lofts has had to blend in a bit of listed wall like that anyway, and they've made a bloody good job of it.

[Scarecrow]

The wall was built by French POW's during the Napoleonic wars. Around 3000 wereburied under St Johns Gardens.

[Doug Roberts]

Malmaison today




The build up of Princes Dock really shows in this pic,