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Petr · February 15th, 2009, 06:23 PM

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Originally Posted by city_thing

The front looks expensive and modern, but the sides look cheap and nasty.

I guess Poland bought them and made new heads for the trains (or whatever terminology for the front of the train you wish to use...)?

You guess wrong. Trains were designed and made in Vagonmash.

Those Pesa visualizations look kitschy.

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Originally Posted by karejeeta

Any new on when or if all the buses and trams will be painted in the new colour that the SKM has implemented on its trains?? And the 186 new trams that arrive what colour will they have??

I don't know, and I barely care.

karejeeta · February 15th, 2009, 05:08 AM

Any new on when or if all the buses and trams will be painted in the new colour that the SKM has implemented on its trains?? And the 186 new trams that arrive what colour will they have??

volkhen · February 15th, 2009, 03:37 PM

This is unofficial project of new PESA tram: (maybe for Warsaw)

Micrav · February 15th, 2009, 06:35 PM

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Originally Posted by volkhen

This is unofficial project of new PESA tram: (maybe for Warsaw)

Not bad, consider this as concept cars. There are good ideas! But the overall design is a bit too much... I believe the idea of the designer is to be noticed! Good point for this!

Tomesh · February 15th, 2009, 07:52 PM

I think the new Russian trains are absolutely fine, and they were cheap (i assume

) so its all good.

Biesiada · April 15th, 2009, 10:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Tomesh

I think the new Russian trains are absolutely fine, and they were cheap (i assume

) so its all good.

they stink of garlic

city_thing · April 16th, 2009, 11:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Biesiada

they stink of garlic

LOL.

Gag Halfrunt · February 17th, 2009, 12:55 AM

Vagonmash's website has a page about the new Warsaw trains (in English).

Chris80678 · February 17th, 2009, 12:24 PM

It would be great if construction of the second metro line started this year rather than in 2010 as it is urgently needed to provide better access to the Praga district

It's just a shame that it won't be finished in time for the 2012 UEFA cup

Petr · February 17th, 2009, 10:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Chris80678

It would be great if construction of the second metro line started this year rather than in 2010 as it is urgently needed to provide better access to the Praga district

It's just a shame that it won't be finished in time for the 2012 UEFA cup

3 bridges with tram ways, and 4 other with buses are sufficient to provide connection between east and west part of the city...
Line won't be ready for 2012 because it couldn't. 5 years in Poland is not enough to plan and build new metro line. Planning stage can be longer than construction stage. That line wasn't an original part of the euro2012 tender, because it's not necessary to organize tournament.

Petr · February 16th, 2009, 03:38 PM

We know tenderers for the construction of the central stretch of the second metro line:
Italian Astaldi - 4.117 billion zł
Chinese China Overseas Engineering Group - 4.498 billion zł
Polish (Spanish majority shareholder) Mostostal Warszawa - 4.974 billion zł
German Alpine Bau - 5.618 billion zł
Spanish Dragados - 6.109 billion zł
The lowest offer is 1.8 billion zł lower than in the first tender. It means, that most probably the results won't be canceled this time and contract for the construction will be signed.
EDIT If everything goes without any significant obstacles, construction of the central stretch of the second line (consisting of 7 stations) shall begin this year, and it will be finished in years 2013-2014.

Petr · February 18th, 2009, 01:24 AM

Do you imagine that in the match days there will be regular traffic in the city? It's obvious for me, that Świętokrzyski and Poniatowski Bridges will be closed for regular traffic, and there will be dedicated extra bus lines. Besides, most of the fans will reach Stadium area by train. Thats why they're plaining to renovate Stadium Station.
Ok, traffic jams are terrible, but every day most of the people from the east bank of the Vistula River goes to work or to school to the west bank, so connection is sufficient, even if not comfortable. With one extra bridge, bus pases and renovated tram ways it would work fairly proper. New metro line ( I mean its central stretch) is rather necessary to bring new life into Praga district, than to provide basic connection with the Center. Flats in Praga after this investments will become one of the most expensive in the city. Number of the bars, clubs, restaurants and etc. is going to double or triple in few years. Location of a planed Stadion station is in the middle of nothing, at the moment. I can only imagine local boom that is going to happen there. Port Praski finally will be one gigantic construction site.

Filip7370 · February 18th, 2009, 05:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Petr

Do you imagine that in the match days there will be regular traffic in the city?

But still it's not enought. It's important that there isn't a straight connection from airports nad railway stations to the national stadium...

Petr · February 18th, 2009, 08:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Filip7370

But still it's not enought. It's important that there isn't a straight connection from airports nad railway stations to the national stadium...

First of all rail line from Okęcie is still planned to be opened before Euro 2012. In this case it's not difficult to open direct line from Okęcie station to Stadium station during match days. Regional trains can also have a stop on Warszawa Centralna station (instead of Śródmieście station) during match days.

Filip7370 · February 19th, 2009, 09:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Petr

First of all rail line from Okęcie is still planned to be opened before Euro 2012. In this case it's not difficult to open direct line from Okęcie station to Stadium station during match days. Regional trains can also have a stop on Warszawa Centralna station (instead of Śródmieście station) during match days.

Remember that the Warsaw Stadium trains stop is only a train stop, so it can't be used by three trains at the same time.

iambic peremeter · February 18th, 2009, 01:38 PM

to build or not to build?

Junkie · February 18th, 2009, 02:37 PM

When I'm looking how huge is Warsaw, I'm wonder why there was no plan for constructing metro system, back in the commie area, as was in other east states. Onlt one line is not enough today I see that.

Petr · February 18th, 2009, 08:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Junkie

When I'm looking how huge is Warsaw, I'm wonder why there was no plan for constructing metro system, back in the commie area, as was in other east states.

Good question.

On the oder hand 3 communist cities in Europe outside USSR, where subway was built, were capitals dominating over entire countries, while in Warsaw lived 4% of Polish population. Moreover Bucharest, Prague and Budapest wasn't destroyed during the war. Most of the Polish efforts were put into reconstruction of the city.

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Onlt one line is not enough today I see that.

Fortunately it will change in 5 years. In 20 years we will have network adequate to size of the city.

iambic peremeter · February 18th, 2009, 05:16 PM

I'm wonder why there was no plan for constructing metro system, back in the commie area, as was in other east states. Onlt one line is not enough today I see that. YES THERE WHERE PLANS!!!! In early 50th the soviets asked our goverment what they prefer:to build the Palace Kultury skyskraper or 5 metro lines. Quest what they choosed

karejeeta · February 19th, 2009, 02:04 AM

Any renderign of the W-Z tramway after the renovation same with the one runign to the national staduim??

February 15th, 2009, 03:37 PM	#3
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February 16th, 2009, 03:38 PM	#11
Petr Disengaged User Join Date: May 2004 Location: Warszawa Posts: 4,392	We know tenderers for the construction of the central stretch of the second metro line: Italian Astaldi - 4.117 billion zł Chinese China Overseas Engineering Group - 4.498 billion zł Polish (Spanish majority shareholder) Mostostal Warszawa - 4.974 billion zł German Alpine Bau - 5.618 billion zł Spanish Dragados - 6.109 billion zł The lowest offer is 1.8 billion zł lower than in the first tender. It means, that most probably the results won't be canceled this time and contract for the construction will be signed. EDIT If everything goes without any significant obstacles, construction of the central stretch of the second line (consisting of 7 stations) shall begin this year, and it will be finished in years 2013-2014. __________________ forumrozwoju.waw.pl Last edited by Petr; February 16th, 2009 at 09:38 PM.

February 18th, 2009, 01:24 AM	#12
Petr Disengaged User Join Date: May 2004 Location: Warszawa Posts: 4,392	Do you imagine that in the match days there will be regular traffic in the city? It's obvious for me, that Świętokrzyski and Poniatowski Bridges will be closed for regular traffic, and there will be dedicated extra bus lines. Besides, most of the fans will reach Stadium area by train. Thats why they're plaining to renovate Stadium Station. Ok, traffic jams are terrible, but every day most of the people from the east bank of the Vistula River goes to work or to school to the west bank, so connection is sufficient, even if not comfortable. With one extra bridge, bus pases and renovated tram ways it would work fairly proper. New metro line ( I mean its central stretch) is rather necessary to bring new life into Praga district, than to provide basic connection with the Center. Flats in Praga after this investments will become one of the most expensive in the city. Number of the bars, clubs, restaurants and etc. is going to double or triple in few years. Location of a planed Stadion station is in the middle of nothing, at the moment. I can only imagine local boom that is going to happen there. Port Praski finally will be one gigantic construction site. __________________ forumrozwoju.waw.pl Last edited by Petr; February 18th, 2009 at 02:14 AM.

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February 15th, 2009, 05:08 AM	#2
karejeeta tommy569 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Toronto Posts: 124	Any new on when or if all the buses and trams will be painted in the new colour that the SKM has implemented on its trains?? And the 186 new trams that arrive what colour will they have??

February 15th, 2009, 07:52 PM	#5
Tomesh insatiable Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: London\|Warsaw Posts: 291	I think the new Russian trains are absolutely fine, and they were cheap (i assume ) so its all good.

February 17th, 2009, 12:55 AM	#8
Gag Halfrunt Registered User Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 436	Vagonmash's website has a page about the new Warsaw trains (in English).

February 17th, 2009, 12:24 PM	#9
Chris80678 Registered User Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Scunthorpe Posts: 121	It would be great if construction of the second metro line started this year rather than in 2010 as it is urgently needed to provide better access to the Praga district It's just a shame that it won't be finished in time for the 2012 UEFA cup

February 18th, 2009, 01:38 PM	#16
iambic peremeter Registered User Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Marsonia Posts: 224	to build or not to build?

February 18th, 2009, 05:16 PM	#19
iambic peremeter Registered User Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Marsonia Posts: 224	I'm wonder why there was no plan for constructing metro system, back in the commie area, as was in other east states. Onlt one line is not enough today I see that. YES THERE WHERE PLANS!!!! In early 50th the soviets asked our goverment what they prefer:to build the Palace Kultury skyskraper or 5 metro lines. Quest what they choosed

February 19th, 2009, 02:04 AM	#20
karejeeta tommy569 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Toronto Posts: 124	Any renderign of the W-Z tramway after the renovation same with the one runign to the national staduim??