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Old January 24th, 2009, 11:51 PM   #201
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Let me say something, about those trams. Two of them were a pre war type C and a type A (which was pretending a trailer) other trams were two cars type K bought in 1939 but NEVER delivered before the war (those were in post war liverty).
Car type A #43 -acting a trailer
Car type C #257
Car type K #445
Car type K #403 - acting a trailer
those were ALL Warsaw's historical car by that time.
P.S. I know that because I'm a member of Warsaw's Transit Fan Club.
http://www.kmkm.waw.pl/
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Old February 14th, 2009, 06:59 PM   #202
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New Russian trains in service.

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Inside they smell plastic in a very unpleasant way...
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Old February 14th, 2009, 07:47 PM   #203
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I don't like them (the cars)

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Old February 15th, 2009, 12:25 AM   #204
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They look cheep...
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Old February 15th, 2009, 03:53 AM   #205
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The front looks expensive and modern, but the sides look cheap and nasty.

I guess Poland bought them and made new heads for the trains (or whatever terminology for the front of the train you wish to use...)?
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Old February 15th, 2009, 05:08 AM   #206
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Any new on when or if all the buses and trams will be painted in the new colour that the SKM has implemented on its trains?? And the 186 new trams that arrive what colour will they have??
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Old February 15th, 2009, 03:37 PM   #207
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This is unofficial project of new PESA tram: (maybe for Warsaw)








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Old February 15th, 2009, 06:23 PM   #208
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The front looks expensive and modern, but the sides look cheap and nasty.

I guess Poland bought them and made new heads for the trains (or whatever terminology for the front of the train you wish to use...)?
You guess wrong. Trains were designed and made in Vagonmash.

Those Pesa visualizations look kitschy.
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Any new on when or if all the buses and trams will be painted in the new colour that the SKM has implemented on its trains?? And the 186 new trams that arrive what colour will they have??
I don't know, and I barely care.
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Old February 15th, 2009, 06:33 PM   #209
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New Russian trains in service.

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Inside they smell plastic in a very unpleasant way...
They look a bit much nicer (front) than Moscow new cars, but that is all. The rest is very old and boring design...
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Old February 15th, 2009, 06:35 PM   #210
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This is unofficial project of new PESA tram: (maybe for Warsaw)

Not bad, consider this as concept cars. There are good ideas! But the overall design is a bit too much... I believe the idea of the designer is to be noticed! Good point for this!
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Old February 15th, 2009, 07:52 PM   #211
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I think the new Russian trains are absolutely fine, and they were cheap (i assume ) so its all good.
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Old February 16th, 2009, 03:38 PM   #212
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We know tenderers for the construction of the central stretch of the second metro line:
Italian Astaldi - 4.117 billion zł
Chinese China Overseas Engineering Group - 4.498 billion zł
Polish (Spanish majority shareholder) Mostostal Warszawa - 4.974 billion zł
German Alpine Bau - 5.618 billion zł
Spanish Dragados - 6.109 billion zł
The lowest offer is 1.8 billion zł lower than in the first tender. It means, that most probably the results won't be canceled this time and contract for the construction will be signed.
EDIT If everything goes without any significant obstacles, construction of the central stretch of the second line (consisting of 7 stations) shall begin this year, and it will be finished in years 2013-2014.
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Old February 17th, 2009, 12:55 AM   #213
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Vagonmash's website has a page about the new Warsaw trains (in English).
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Old February 17th, 2009, 12:24 PM   #214
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It would be great if construction of the second metro line started this year rather than in 2010 as it is urgently needed to provide better access to the Praga district It's just a shame that it won't be finished in time for the 2012 UEFA cup
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Old February 17th, 2009, 10:07 PM   #215
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It would be great if construction of the second metro line started this year rather than in 2010 as it is urgently needed to provide better access to the Praga district It's just a shame that it won't be finished in time for the 2012 UEFA cup
3 bridges with tram ways, and 4 other with buses are sufficient to provide connection between east and west part of the city...
Line won't be ready for 2012 because it couldn't. 5 years in Poland is not enough to plan and build new metro line. Planning stage can be longer than construction stage. That line wasn't an original part of the euro2012 tender, because it's not necessary to organize tournament.
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Old February 18th, 2009, 12:20 AM   #216
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3 bridges with tram ways, and 4 other with buses are sufficient to provide connection between east and west part of the city...
YYYYYY...no it's not. For regular traffic it's still too less, and think about this humungus avalange of football fans i one place at the same time. It'll be a nightmare...
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Old February 18th, 2009, 01:24 AM   #217
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Do you imagine that in the match days there will be regular traffic in the city? It's obvious for me, that Świętokrzyski and Poniatowski Bridges will be closed for regular traffic, and there will be dedicated extra bus lines. Besides, most of the fans will reach Stadium area by train. Thats why they're plaining to renovate Stadium Station.
Ok, traffic jams are terrible, but every day most of the people from the east bank of the Vistula River goes to work or to school to the west bank, so connection is sufficient, even if not comfortable. With one extra bridge, bus pases and renovated tram ways it would work fairly proper. New metro line ( I mean its central stretch) is rather necessary to bring new life into Praga district, than to provide basic connection with the Center. Flats in Praga after this investments will become one of the most expensive in the city. Number of the bars, clubs, restaurants and etc. is going to double or triple in few years. Location of a planed Stadion station is in the middle of nothing, at the moment. I can only imagine local boom that is going to happen there. Port Praski finally will be one gigantic construction site.
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Old February 18th, 2009, 01:38 PM   #218
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to build or not to build?
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Old February 18th, 2009, 02:37 PM   #219
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When I'm looking how huge is Warsaw, I'm wonder why there was no plan for constructing metro system, back in the commie area, as was in other east states. Onlt one line is not enough today I see that.
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Old February 18th, 2009, 05:03 PM   #220
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Do you imagine that in the match days there will be regular traffic in the city?
But still it's not enought. It's important that there isn't a straight connection from airports nad railway stations to the national stadium...
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