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Old January 29th, 2010, 11:41 PM   #321
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Well that's not exactly that SKM is a S-bahn. Because in many German cities S-bahn is a "fast-tram", na upgraded tramway with high platforms and commuting suburbans. But Warsaw "S-Bahn" is strictly rail division. It is operated with standard polish 3 kV DC from overhead wires.
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Old January 30th, 2010, 01:28 AM   #322
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In Germany in particular cities S-bahn looks slightly different.
In Berlin and Hamburg it has third rail and is closest to subway, but in most of the cities it's regular heavy rail (Rhine-Ruhr, Munich, Rhine-Main, Hanover, Stuttgart, Vienna).
The main idea is that S-bahn operates in agglomerations, while U-bahn or Stadbahn or Strassenbahn within city borders.
EDIT Don't mix S-bahn which is maintained by DB, and Stadbahn which is completely different service. In big cities LRT lines are branded rather U-bahn (Frankfurt, Hamburg, Vienna), than S-bahn.
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Old January 30th, 2010, 03:46 PM   #323
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You're 100% right, I was answering from technical aspect of SKM, in the photo You can't say is there a third rail, or a pantograph. It just look like a high platform trail-set.
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Old January 31st, 2010, 12:22 AM   #324
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How long of a life do the EN57s, especially the South Korean-looking ones (i.e. the modernised ones), have left in them? Is NEWAG's new train meant as a replacement for them?
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Old January 31st, 2010, 07:46 AM   #325
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How long of a life do the EN57s, especially the South Korean-looking ones (i.e. the modernised ones), have left in them?
My English is limited. Did You mean, how long they're gonna stay in regular service?
SKM fleet is very small, because it's new service (4 years old). They own 8 comprehensively modernised EN57 trains signed 14WE:


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Is NEWAG's new train meant as a replacement for them?
Indeed, It means replacement for older trains borrowed temporarily by SKM from other providers.
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http://www.przegubowiec.com/galeria/...bum=210&pos=58

When it comes to main regional provider KM. They have a big fleet (186 EN57s). They're constantly buying and modernising their trains, but full modernisation of the fleet will take many years.
New standard of the modernisation (trains also have new asynchronous engines):





http://www.newag.pl/?a=oferty&idoffer=56&opcja=show
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Old January 31st, 2010, 03:54 PM   #326
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When it comes to main regional provider KM. They have a huge fleet (around 1400 EN57s)
Uhm, Wikipedia says that KM owns 186 units. There whole production (1961-1993) was 1429 units, currently distributed among multiple companies.

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Old January 31st, 2010, 04:48 PM   #327
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przegubowiec.com misled me... 1400 is the number of all EN57s in Poland...
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Still over 1000 EN57 is in duty, except series to 600 (some of them), and few screaped because of accidents all are operational.
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KM just've chosen 11 Traxx P 160 DC locomotives for their Bombardier push-pulls.

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Old February 21st, 2010, 12:36 PM   #330
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Well that's not exactly that SKM is a S-bahn. Because in many German cities S-bahn is a "fast-tram"
No, you're talking of "Stadtbahn", but S-Bahn did indeed mean "Stadtbahn" when it was built. Now Stadtbahn is simply a fast tram, but usually suburban.

To add to the confusion, the original S-Bahn, that is overground "métro", exists only in Berlin and Hamburg; in other places DB used the well-known brand to advertise local services.

So SKM is S-Bahn in the present meaning of the word: frequent local trains, and WKD is a Stadtbahn.
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Old February 21st, 2010, 12:39 PM   #331
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How long of a life do the EN57s, especially the South Korean-looking ones (i.e. the modernised ones), have left in them? Is NEWAG's new train meant as a replacement for them?
That only depends on the money. They did 50 years already, and in some places they will probably stay for another 15. Which is absolutely a pity, because there more and more are places where the train cannot use the capacity of the track, i.e. it goes at a fraction of the maximum speed.

But the railway in Poland is infested with unions, and they have to be dealt with before more money is dumped into this bottomless well.
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Today will be signed contract for 13 PESA ELF units for SKM, which will be serving Okecie Airport line. Trains will be arriving to Warsaw from May to September 2011.



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I forgot to add, that second (S9) SKM line was opened in March 15th. Initially it's operated by Koleje Mazowieckie and served by 4 aged EN57 EMUs:


http://www.przegubowiec.com/galeria/...bum=210&pos=56

Situation should improve in 1,5 year at the latest.

timetable: http://www.ztm.waw.pl/download.php?z=32&i=473&l=1&m=9
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Tomorrow will be signed contract with Pesa for delivery of 14 EMUs for WKD. Contract is worth 281 mln PLN gross. Trains will start arriving at the turn of 2011 and 2012.
Technical specification of the chosen EMUs:
maximum operation speed: 80 km/h
seating capacity: 120
maximum capacity: 500
length: 60 m
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Finally visualisation of the new livery for WKD is available:
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That only depends on the money. They did 50 years already, and in some places they will probably stay for another 15.
Wikipedia says that the EN57 was in production from 1961 to 1993, so I would imagine that most units are much less than fifty years old.
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First (of 4) new SKM Newag train joint in regular service:

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KM just've chosen 11 Traxx P 160 DC locomotives for their Bombardier push-pulls.

Koleje Mazowieckie signed contract with Bombardier today. First locomotives will arrive in summer 2011.

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New scheme including Tram, Metro/Underground and Commuter Rail, which will be available in paper version for free:



Night Buses and metro scheme:

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