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Old November 11th, 2010, 07:07 PM   #401
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The advantage of S70 is a possibility to be operated as a single-traction train. Here the idea was only to reduce costs of a otherwise multiple-articulated, longer unit.

I don't know how it is viewed in the States, but in Poland there is a growing idea that a longer vehicle with a single compartment is much safer and less prone to devastation than multiple-traction trainsets. Hence the requirements in Warsaw's metro tender.
Will the new WKD trains consist of four articulated cars, like the current PESAs?
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Old November 11th, 2010, 08:08 PM   #402
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No, it will be exactly like 2xS70, yet without driver cabs in the middle of the train (a single vehicle won't be able to operate commercially).

see a .pdf file:

http://pesa.pl/pl/Oferta/Elektryczne...rakcyjne/WKD_n
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Old November 12th, 2010, 01:20 PM   #403
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SKM (Szybka Kolej Miejska (English: Fast Urban Railway))



Szybka Kolej Miejska (English: Fast Urban Railway) is a rail operator providing services in the Warsaw metropolitan area using the national rail network while constituting a part of the cities integrated public transport system organized by the Warsaw Transport Authority.





The Warsaw Fast Urban Railway in its present form was initially proposed in 2002, stipulating to use the existing infrastructure of the Warsaw Railway Junction, especially the cross city line with its over 2km long tunnel running under the city center and conveniently located underground station, as a cheap substitute for a badly needed second metro line.

In order to implement this the Mayor of Warsaw Lech Kaczyński established in 2004 the municipally owned company Szybka Kolej Miejska Sp. z o.o. The company was originally incorporated as a joint venture between the City of Warsaw with 50% shares and the companies Metro Warszawskie Sp. z o.o with 49% shares and Tramwaje Warszawskie Sp. z. o.o with 1% shares, both owned entirely by the city and responsible respectively for the Metro and Tram system. As such the company was notably completely independent from the national rail operator PKP Group, unlike the Masovian Railways established by the Masovian Voivodship at around the same time.

The newly formed company was equipped with six Newag 14WE EMUs which were extensive modernizations of the PKP class EN57 EMUs, with a modern looking body but retaining the old mechanical components.

A year and a half after being established the Fast Urban Railway initiated its operation with its first trains, opening a line from Warszawa Zachodnia along the cross city line to Warszawa Wschodnia and along the Vistula river to Warszawa Falenica. The new service failed to deliver on its promise to serve as a viable replacement due to the poor state of the rail infrastructure. Passengers within the city center preferred the more accessible trams system and few people wanted to use the trains in the south eastern districts of the city. Additionally while the integrated fare system of the Warsaw Transit Authority offered a large convenience the modern look and relative cleanness of the rolling stock sharply contrasted with the standard found in the Polish railroad during rush hours most of slots on the tracks were taken up by regional traffic and the new EMUs suffered from the same technical problems as the ones they were based on.

Due to the initial low popularity of the line the original concept was some what altered in 2006 with the line extended outside the administrative borders of the city through the Ursus district into the town of Pruszków to the west and diverted to the district of the Wesoła and town of Sulejówek to the east, turning the service into a suburban commuter train which allowed people in the metropolitan area to quickly reach the city center and conveniently transfer within the city's public transit system. The new formula proved to be very successful leading the city to take purchase all the shares of the company and purchase two more Newag 14WE EMUs. The popularity of trains run the Fast Urban Rail was also instrumental in the city negotiating a deal with the Masovian Voivodship to have the Masovian Railways honor long term tickets of the Warsaw Transit Authority, first along the route of the Fast Urban Rail and eventually within the entire area served by the cities public transit system.

In 2010 the company purchased four brand new Newag 19WE EMUs and opened a new line to the town of Otwock. Additionally the Warsaw Transit Authority signed a contract with the Masovian Railways to operate a line between Warszawa Gdańska station on the Warsaw Circumferal Line and the town of Legionowo under the branding of the Fast Urban Railway.

Future plans include the delivery of 13 new PESA 22WE EMUs and opening a new line on currently laid tracks linking the Warsaw Frédéric Chopin Airport with the city center.





















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Old November 12th, 2010, 10:01 PM   #404
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The PESA trains will be a major shift in the capacity of the operator. Right now we have 8 three-car 14WE trainsets (65 m each) and 4 four-car 19WE trainsets (85 m each). The 27WE will have six modules each for a length of 107 meters and with of 13 of them this will more than double the total capacity of the network.

There's a short file of the 27WE here:

http://pesa.pl/en/Offer/Electric_multiple_units
I couldn't find info on 14WE and 19WE by Newag, unfortunately. There just some photos of the order 14WE class.

http://www.newag.pl/en/index.php?a=oferty&idkat=2
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Old November 18th, 2010, 02:47 PM   #405
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Koleje Mazowieckie (Masovian Railways)



Koleje Mazowieckie (Masovian Railways) is a regional rail operator in the Masovian Voivodship of Poland.

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The company was founded in 2004 as a joint venture of the Masovian Voivodeship, with 51% shares, and the, then government-owned, PKP Przewozy Regionalne, with 49% shares, to handle local passenger traffic in the Voivodeship. Its services were inaugurated on January 1, 2005. By the end of 2007 Koleje Mazowieckie was completely owned by the Masovian Voivodeship.

The rolling stock consists mostly of old electric multiple units taken over from PKP and gradually modernized, with further compatibile trains purchased from other operatiors.

As of 2010 the Koleje Mazowieckie had just under 200 PKP class EN57, five EN71 and two EW60. Additionally the company purchased seven DB Class 627 and four 628 diesel multiple unit to serve on non-electrified routes.

In 2008 the company bought 10 modern Stadler FLIRT EMUs and 26 Bombardier Double-deck Coaches along with 11 cab cars (presently pulled by PKP class EU07 electric locomotives rented from PKP Cargo, to be replaced in 2011 with eleven TRAXX P160 DC purchased from Bombardier).

Routes on which you can travel with Warsaw public transport tickets (first and second zone):



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Old November 21st, 2010, 03:39 PM   #406
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more pic of Warsaw's new 'Swing' trams :









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Old November 21st, 2010, 05:54 PM   #407
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14 new trains were ordered for Warsaw Suburban Railway (WKD).

The trains will be delivered by Polish PESA company.

Final design is still not chosen - it will be one of those three presented below:













Warszawska Kolej Dojazdowa (Warsaw Suburban Railway, WKD) is a suburban light rail line in Poland's capital city of Warsaw. The line, together with its two branches, links Warsaw with the municipalities of Michałowice, Pruszków, Brwinów, Podkowa Leśna, Milanówek and Grodzisk Mazowiecki to the south-west of Warsaw.

that's what i call modern and class transport!
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Old November 28th, 2010, 12:02 PM   #408
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that's what i call modern and class transport!
Future of Warsaw public transport is bright
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Old December 10th, 2010, 02:36 PM   #409
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Article about new rolling stock for Warsaw metro second line :

Poland Unveils BMW-Designed Subway Cars Which Are 98% Recyclable

The Siemens Inspiro transit concept will bring sustainable engineering to Warsaw's metro system in 2012.







It's one thing to brag about your public transit system's environmental bona fides. But the Polish capital city of Warsaw decided to rub it in everyone's faces by having their new Inspiro subway cars designed by BMW too.

The Inspiro system from Siemens and BMW Group DesignworksUSA will go online in the Metro Warszawskie in 2012, boasting a number of environmentally sensitive designs.

The interiors are spaciously appointed with extra-wide entrances, for accommodating better passenger flow, large electronic displays for system maps, and lighting that's placed at soothing intervals, rather than in blaring, monolithic banks. The electronics and mechanics cabinets have also been removed from the actual cabin walls -- so that the interior space is as spacious as possible. And finally, you'll also notice that the handholds are lit from above and shaped like tree branches -- a symbol, the designers say, of the subway cars green ambitions.

Those green bona fides primarily come in the form of the carriage's aluminum, "weight-optimized" chassis, which is significantly lighter than the average train car, reducing its energy consumption. And... wait for it... the carriages are expected to be 97.5% recyclable as well.
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I believe it's also NEWAG's entry into the subway rolling stock business, seeing as how the company is partnering with Siemens to build this train.
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The side windows don't look modern....

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Old December 27th, 2010, 06:05 PM   #412
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Small but important investment in Warsaw - direct undergroud tunel between Dworzec Gdański metro station and Warszawa Gdańska train station :









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Old January 22nd, 2011, 08:31 PM   #413
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I plan on visiting Warsaw and other parts of Poland next year to ride trains and have a question about the tram system in Warsaw. On this page (English) if you search for line 1 on a weekday, it gives several routes. I understand the main lines, but for example this route (ZERAŃ WSCHODNI-ZAJEZDNIA ŻOLIBORZ) shows that from Baseny Inflancka, it goes direct to ZAJEZDNIA ŻOLIBORZ taking 31 minutes for that section. The map on that page is surely not correct since I don't think the tram will cut through buildings!

My question is if the tram skips all stations from Baseny Inflancka to Zajezdnia Żoliborz or stop at all the stations in between. If it does stop, how do you know which line it goes over? Annopol-Wojnicka is another example where the site says there's a 16 minute span from Staniewicka to Wojnicka. Thanks for the information.
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the script on official site of ZTM is quite dumb. it only connect the bus stops in strait lines so it looks like that. There are better pages for searching connections of public transport. Try this page: www.jakdojade.pl - it's also in english, you can type street name, bus, metro station or tram stop name or anything in proximity of place that you looking for or just click on the map and it will find best connection for you. It also calculates exact time of journey, distance and possible price of tickets. Try it.

Edit: tanks kapturek. i didn't noticed those small icons for language on top right corner.

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It has english version: http://jakdojade.pl/Welcome.jsp?locale=en
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That's cool! Thanks so much.
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I have another question. There are several stops that appear to be listed twice, but the map shows two different stops (close together). For example, on line 8 Al. Zieleniecka and Rondo Waszyngtona. Also Gocławek on line 9. Is one eastbound only and the other westbound? Or does the tram stop at both with the same name?
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These are two tram stops close to each other for both ways. Departure times have diference of 1 minute. I believe it is done this way because area is not very friendly for pedestrians and to increase safety. You can check place of Rondo Waszyngtona stops on National Stadium live cameras: http://www.2012.org.pl/pl/miasta-gos...wa/kamera.html - click on Widok z kamery 2

On line 9 first Goclawek is basically the end of the line and the second is, more easy to access, tram stop close to the street.
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I plan on visiting Warsaw and other parts of Poland next year to ride trains and have a question about the tram system in Warsaw. On this page (English) if you search for line 1 on a weekday, it gives several routes. I understand the main lines, but for example this route (ZERAŃ WSCHODNI-ZAJEZDNIA ŻOLIBORZ) shows that from Baseny Inflancka, it goes direct to ZAJEZDNIA ŻOLIBORZ taking 31 minutes for that section. The map on that page is surely not correct since I don't think the tram will cut through buildings!

My question is if the tram skips all stations from Baseny Inflancka to Zajezdnia Żoliborz or stop at all the stations in between. If it does stop, how do you know which line it goes over? Annopol-Wojnicka is another example where the site says there's a 16 minute span from Staniewicka to Wojnicka. Thanks for the information.
These routes you've mentioned (Żerań Wschodni - Zajezdnia Żoliborz) or (Annopol - Wojnicka) are routes which are used when the tram is going back to the depo. So they are not any additional/optional routes for normal service. Actually, even though the stops between last regular stop and the depo aren't mentioned on the map, the tram stops on every stop.

Here you can see current tram map:
http://www.ztm.waw.pl/pokazmapy.php?i=16&l=1

Remember that lines, which have got light gray colour are out of service.
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Thanks for the info. Good to know the tram stops at Gocławek and others with the same name, but two stops. The reason I ask is because I like to add stations to my visited station list so if the tram makes an official stop (where people are allowed) then I count it in my list.
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