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Old June 18th, 2015, 11:04 PM   #1201
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Warsaw is one of the worst managed cities in Europe in key areas such as.
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Old June 19th, 2015, 05:14 PM   #1202
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Worst managed???, there you go again continuing the ancient Polish tradition of trashing your country.
As a taxpayer I demand intelligent planning from authorities that can deliver public transport infrastructure transparently and efficiently. Comprendo?

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no wonder it keeps being undermined and invaded when Poles themselves keep betraying it every chance they get.
The only people who keep letting Warsaw and its people down are politicians (regardless of party) who are inept parasites with absolutely nothing to offer Polish society. The people who let them get away with it are those just like you - passive, uncritical and meek as lamb.


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Really man, how about some perspective and historic context.
You going to be continuing to blame communism all your life?

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The changes I have seen in Warsaw over the past few years have been immense,
Yes, communism died many years ago so what's the point of blaming the poor standard of Warsaw transport on communism?

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yes much remains to be done, but you could make your comments more calmly, fairly and with circumspection...and you don't need to attack anyone who makes a positive comment about Warsaw or Poland
I'm challenging indifference. If, contrary to the truth, someone tells me that Warsaw's public transport system is being managed very well... unless I have a gun pointing to my head why should I agree?

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which btw has seen the largest increase in GNP of any country in the OECD in the past 7 years...that's spectacular. There are more important things than urban squares when people need jobs.
The subject here is Warsaw public transport, not GDP figures or Poles in their millions fleeing abroad for jobs.

The public transport system in Warsaw is very poorly integrated.
New tramline projects that should have commenced years ago are still stuck in the pipeline for at least another 10 years (ie. Gocław, Wilanów).
Major stations such as Dworzec Centralny are being treated like centres for tasteless advertising by being plastered all over with naff ads - very tacky looking.

Its bizarre to blame such blunders on communism the way you are.
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Old June 19th, 2015, 09:08 PM   #1203
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anyway, there is no point in any further discussion, you make far too many assumptions about me and everything surrounding this subject and Poland...and who said anything about communism, which incidentally destroyed not just Poland's infrastructure but the work ethic of Poles and this may be the reason for delays and protests and even emigration, Polish people want things the easy way, they won't fight for it or make an effort, it's easier to ignore problems and run away to the UK for a minimum wage job, that makes me sick, people like that make me sick but they are indirect victims of communism too....and even slow progress on transit can be traced there.
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Old June 19th, 2015, 11:21 PM   #1204
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Completely irrelevant.

Returning back to topic, it is inevitable that most door-to-door journeys in Warsaw include more than one mode of transport. But because we know that the attraction of a journey is determined by the weakest link in the chain, the different steps in the journey should not be thought of in isolation.

If we want people to make different travel choices, we must think more clearly about their whole journey, how each part of it connects and how we can better integrate those parts.

Instead of having an array of transport bodies - ZTM, WKD, SKM (and so on) all competing with each other, there should be only one governing body responsible for all aspects of the transport system in Warsaw. Its role would to implement transport strategy and to manage transport services across the Mazowiecki region.

One integrated system.
One logo, visual identity and name.
One body responsible for planning and development.



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Old June 20th, 2015, 12:46 PM   #1205
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Instead of having an array of transport bodies - ZTM, WKD, SKM (and so on) all competing with each other, there should be only one governing body responsible for all aspects of the transport system in Warsaw. Its role would to implement transport strategy and to manage transport services across the Mazowiecki region.

One integrated system.
One logo, visual identity and name.
One body responsible for planning and development.
Yes sure, ZTM and SKM are different transport bodies.

When it comes to full integration of all different transport means under one management, in the way stands polish law. Anyway Warsaw is no 1 in this area in the country.
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Old June 20th, 2015, 11:17 PM   #1206
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And who implements Polish law - the Mergatroids from the Planet Zefrox?

The situation in Warsaw is a complete mess with about 5 or 6 different operators.

Learn from London
- one visual identity: London Transport
One umbrella body: TfL
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Old June 21st, 2015, 03:38 AM   #1207
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And who implements Polish law - the Mergatroids from the Planet Zefrox?
As far as I know not local authorities are who create a state law.
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Operators are irrelevant. Valid is management. In London there are many operators.
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And who implements Polish law - the Mergatroids from the Planet Zefrox?

The situation in Warsaw is a complete mess with about 5 or 6 different operators.

Learn from London
- one visual identity: London Transport
One umbrella body: TfL
as long as entities are coordinated and work together, there should be no problem. Often large organizations can become inefficient, top-heavy and unwieldly.

Well then since you seem very righteous in your comments and determination, please indicate how should Warsaw Transit be organized and how will this be done legally and politically...is a new superstructure necessary?
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Old June 21st, 2015, 10:44 AM   #1209
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Passengers want to travel from from Y to Z in the most efficient and comfortable way.
They don't care if its by tram, bus, metro, rail or a combination of these modes of transport.
The plethora of organisations running these services is creating a disjointed system lacking integration, co-ordination and strategic planning.

The answer is to create a universal body to:
1) oversee the whole network
2) plan and develop new ideas
3) take measures to integrate the system and
4) manage services in an intelligent and competent manner.

Without such a change, the decrepit system of public transport in Warsaw will continue to falter.
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Old June 21st, 2015, 01:58 PM   #1210
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Old June 21st, 2015, 04:51 PM   #1211
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Passengers want to travel from from Y to Z in the most efficient and comfortable way.
They don't care if its by tram, bus, metro, rail or a combination of these modes of transport.
The plethora of organisations running these services is creating a disjointed system lacking integration, co-ordination and strategic planning.

The answer is to create a universal body to:
1) oversee the whole network
2) plan and develop new ideas
3) take measures to integrate the system and
4) manage services in an intelligent and competent manner.

Without such a change, the decrepit system of public transport in Warsaw will continue to falter.
sounds very reasonable, although I still feel that the Warsaw system is effectively ramified and connected. I've travelled Warsaw by transit and was very pleased especially compared to Toronto. Isn't a Karta Warszawska (Warsaw Card) in the works.

So what is your next step?, a petition, a letter writing campaign or do you hope that transit officials and politicians read these posts...and certainly some do. Participate in public forums or consultations as part of future transit expansion?

My question is how do we bring about change to improve the system.
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I've started on my crusade for visual integration:
http://www.transport-publiczny.pl/wi...awie-3059.html
One logo,
One map,
One system.
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Old June 23rd, 2015, 05:10 PM   #1213
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I also agree often streetcar/tram lines are looked down on, don't have the same prestige as subway lines, but the former when especially on their own designated right-of-way are as effective and they also afford users a better visual connection to their cities. Love streetcars/trams.
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Yes, and supporting what you say, New Yorkers dream of having at least a little bit of what Warsaw has an abundance of: a tram line.
http://www.vision42.org/

Vision 42 is inspired by Warsaw's tram network.
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Old July 1st, 2015, 10:48 PM   #1215
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Dafuq?! Did the designers want to go for Donetsk v2.0?



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Dafuq?! Did the designers want to go for Donetsk v2.0?
Do you mean it looks tacky?
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Trams are looked down upon in Poland?
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Dafuq?! Did the designers want to go for Donetsk v2.0?



https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=do...ed=0CAgQ_AUoAw
So you are saying those designs are similar? In which universe?
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