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Old September 3rd, 2015, 02:33 PM   #1261
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Yes, an example of a vintage Jelcz used for travel in the Warsaw area.

Must've been a bit of a hairy ride judging by the roll of toilet paper in the front window! ;-)

I do quite like the outer design though.
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Old September 3rd, 2015, 06:38 PM   #1262
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Along the same lines, I thought it would be a great idea if Warsaw cab all had a uniform design like London's based on the Warszawa car built in Warsaw pre-war and brought back post war:

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Old September 3rd, 2015, 06:58 PM   #1263
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Along the same lines, I thought it would be a great idea if Warsaw cab all had a uniform design like London's based on the Warszawa car built in Warsaw pre-war and brought back post war:
Hmm?
FSO Warszawa was built from 1951 under Soviet license - GAZ M-20 Pobeda, which was copy of some Ford/Opel/Chevrolet designs.
The FSO factory was built between 1948-51 by Italians, since Polish-Italian agreement to produce Fiat cars in Poland was signed. It changed, however, because Cold War, etc.
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Old September 3rd, 2015, 11:46 PM   #1264
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I still think it has some nostalgic charm and has almost as much room as the checker marathon cabs that used to ply the streets of manhattan.

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Old September 5th, 2015, 02:15 PM   #1265
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Old September 6th, 2015, 02:16 PM   #1266
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Boring rubbish tram design with a yawn factor of 10.
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Old September 9th, 2015, 02:50 PM   #1267
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This is a modernization of old Konstal. But I agree, looks sh***y, like most of those.
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Old September 9th, 2015, 04:01 PM   #1268
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No, it's not modernization of Konstal 105N. It's its last version ordered by Warsaw in year 2000.

Info only in Polish:
http://tramwar2.republika.pl/tw105n2k2000.html
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Old September 9th, 2015, 05:08 PM   #1269
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Wow, they produced them in XXI century? Nice...

Nonetheless It's a company's modernization of old base. Just like Polonez Caro was based on Borewicz. It wasn't a new car.
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Old September 9th, 2015, 05:13 PM   #1270
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I wish the construction of new metro stations was faster and PO politicians were more responsible. Anyway unfortunately this schedule is much more realistic:
The idiots of the Polish parliament squandered 135mln zl on Sunday's useless referendum.
I repeat: one hundred and thirty five million zlotys!
Just imagine how such a big sum could have been invested in Warsaw's public transport, instead of being wasted in such a pathetic way.


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Old September 9th, 2015, 06:23 PM   #1271
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I beg to differ, responsibility starts with not making promises politicians can't keep. PO has watched the public purse very conscientiously while the new PIS president is already talking Syriza style promises that got him elected and now he can't keep like lowering the retirement age to 60 in a country with a demographic crisis. My point is when all this money is squandered they will not be able to build any more transit in Poland whatsoever.
Considering what's going on in other countries, I find the Polish plans relatively ambitious. This may not be the 100 billion zloty railway like Crossrail in London, but remember that Poland is generally lucky to use a window of opportunity with political stability and economic growth even through the entire financial crisis. I was a bit shocked knowing that Warsaw finally made it to its second metro line. Poland really makes up for lost time.
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Old September 9th, 2015, 06:27 PM   #1272
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The idiots of the Polish parliament squandered 135mln zl on Sunday's useless referendum.
I repeat: one hundred and thirty five million zlotys!
Just imagine how such a big sum could have been invested in Warsaw's public transport, instead of being wasted in such a pathetic way.


And what the hell has government money to do with Warsaw? This is not one cities money, it belonges to the whole polish state. Time to understand that.
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Old September 9th, 2015, 06:32 PM   #1273
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Only a third of the second metro line has been completed, not all of it.

The transport authorities are not making up for lost time, they've been wasting more of it. Work on the metro line 2 was discontinued a year ago for no valid reason.
The problem is that we are governed by idiots - there is no finer example of this than the 135mln zł that were squandered by Polish paliament to pay for a useless referendum the other day.
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Old September 9th, 2015, 06:42 PM   #1274
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And what the hell has government money to do with Warsaw? This is not one cities money, it belonges to the whole polish state. Time to understand that.
Just imagine how wisely such a big amount of money could have been spent.
Not government money, OUR money.

Yes, its Polish taxpayers' revenue but we are on the 'Warsaw Public Transport' thread so I'm hardly going to suggest the squandered money could have been put to much better use in, for example Poznan, or wherever you come from.
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Can you stop with this onet.pl level of rhetoric a bit
You dont like politicians, we get it.
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Old September 9th, 2015, 07:57 PM   #1276
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The idiots of the Polish parliament squandered 135mln zl on Sunday's useless referendum.
I repeat: one hundred and thirty five million zlotys!
Just imagine how such a big sum could have been invested in Warsaw's public transport, instead of being wasted in such a pathetic way.


The thing is, not so many ppl outside Poland knows why it's like that. Wasting public money is something natural for our gov. The problem is, that most of the time, when some dumb government officials are spending our public money on some stupid things, he knows that will not lose his job. There's really no responsibility there...
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Wow, they produced them in XXI century? Nice...
Those days Warsaw was financially forced to order outdated trams. Charms of construction of the metro without the EU funds and with insufficient state aid.
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Nonetheless It's a company's modernization of old base. Just like Polonez Caro was based on Borewicz. It wasn't a new car.
Call it as You like, anyway its design wasn't changed through exploitation. It a was kind of a new producer version of the model.

Konstal prepared many versions of the 105N for Warsaw. All were slightly different:
http://tramwar2.republika.pl/tramtypy2.html
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Old September 10th, 2015, 03:18 AM   #1278
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Only a third of the second metro line has been completed, not all of it.

The transport authorities are not making up for lost time, they've been wasting more of it. Work on the metro line 2 was discontinued a year ago for no valid reason.
One third of a pipe dream that's supposed to exist one day is still very good. You have to get the political support to construct a new trunk line in the first place and if it spit-roasts the city centre and the major river of your city in one go, the worst job has already been done and the remaining extensions will be way less controversial. A country doesn't need to get as sodomized as Poland was in the 20th century in order to have pipe dreams postponed to a century later, see the Second Avenue Subway in New York City whose first phase got its funding in one go just before the financial crisis and may be finished at the end of next year. Even if Poland gets sodomized again, which I hope it won't, the core of M2 is finished.

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The problem is that we are governed by idiots - there is no finer example of this than the 135mln zł that were squandered by Polish paliament to pay for a useless referendum the other day. Just imagine how wisely such a big amount of money could have been spent. Not government money, OUR money.

Yes, its Polish taxpayers' revenue but we are on the 'Warsaw Public Transport' thread so I'm hardly going to suggest the squandered money could have been put to much better use in, for example Poznan, or wherever you come from.
On the other hand, 135 million zl is next to nothing for an urban transit project. So long it's about tunneling, so to speak, and converting it to nigh 40 million Poles, that's just 3.50 zl per capita or €1 or Ł0.70. That's just bantering. On the other hand, what was that referendum about?
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Nobody knows and even worse - nobody cares. It was waste of money.
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