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Old October 30th, 2015, 10:54 PM   #1301
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Old October 30th, 2015, 11:01 PM   #1302
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Old October 30th, 2015, 11:38 PM   #1303
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A great opportunity was missed to include a couple of cycling lanes running underneath the sides of the bridge. T
hese could have been incorporated whilst the bridge was being redeveloped.

Progressive countries such as Denmark and Holland would have included cycle lanes in the bridge's redevelopment, but not here, because the motorist is treated with much more importance. Cyclists can wait a few more years.
I don't get it... Bike lanes are planned to be build in 2017 underneath the bridge. New construction is designed for it. They just couldn't build it because it was formaly "renovation" nor "new constuction". A tender for bike lanes is planned to be run in 2016.
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Old October 31st, 2015, 01:24 AM   #1304
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Old October 31st, 2015, 01:27 AM   #1305
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modernization of the tram line in Praga District update:

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Wtorkowe, 11 Listopada:


Środowe, od Inżynierskiej do Bródnowskiej.

1.Inżynierska


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5. Przy Kowieńskiej.


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7. Została tu jedna warstwa asfaltu do położenia.


8. Zieleń trochę oberwała...


9. Przy Środkowej.


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10. Dawna lokalizacja przystanku Bródnowska.


11.


12. Platforma przystanku w stronę Żaby prawie gotowa, trwa wykańczanie barierek.


13. Trochę szkoda, że nie sfrezowano nawierzchni nieruszanego fragmentu torowiska, bo będzie się ona gryzła z nowym asfaltem. No chyba, że to też mają zamiar zrobić, tylko później.


14. Przystanek w stronę Inżynierskiej zrobiony na oko w 90%. W odróżnieniu od przystanku w przeciwnym kierunku, tutaj nawierzchnia będzie z kostki bauma, tak jak chodniki przy tej ulicy. Szkoda, że wycięto drzewa sadzone kilka lat temu.


15. A tu szkoda, że nie będzie przejścia. Będę musiał przechodzić na dziko


16. Przechodziłem tędy jeszcze około 23:30, trwało właśnie asfaltowanie brakujących fragmentów.
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Old October 31st, 2015, 06:43 PM   #1306
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And you seem to be living in cloud cuckoo land (refers to a state of absurdly over-optimistic fantasy or an unrealistically idealistic state where everything is perfect).
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I don't get it... Bike lanes are planned to be build in 2017 underneath the bridge. New construction is designed for it. They just couldn't build it because it was formaly "renovation" nor "new constuction". A tender for bike lanes is planned to be run in 2016.
All they are doing is just kicking the can down the road (a project to be completed some time in the future, maybe in 3 or 4 years' time, maybe not).

There should be at least twice as many cycle lanes in Warsaw by now with cyclists afforded much more road priority.
Why can't we just study places like Amsterdam and Copenhagen and learn FFS.
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Old October 31st, 2015, 08:49 PM   #1308
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All they are doing is just kicking the can down the road.
I bet bikers will appreciate possibility of biking with less car noise and less pollution. :]
Bike line on Gdański Bridge is the most popular line for bikes through the river.
BTW Investment is already foregone, money are allocated.
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Old October 31st, 2015, 08:59 PM   #1309
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And you seem to be living in cloud cuckoo land (refers to a state of absurdly over-optimistic fantasy or an unrealistically idealistic state where everything is perfect).
If you want to see me complain a lot check some threads about thermomodernization or the Warsaw Spire.
There's nothing wrong with being negative sometimes but with you it's pretty much all the time so I'm under the impression that you might suffer from major depression Remember that no matter how bad is the situation with public transportation in Warsaw there are always people who love you
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Old October 31st, 2015, 11:17 PM   #1310
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that's right bloganista you aren't alone...if you wanna talk, I'll listen
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Old November 1st, 2015, 04:07 PM   #1311
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Old November 3rd, 2015, 04:05 PM   #1312
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New tram routes planned in Warsaw:



red - existing routes
green - new routes that should be built before 2023
blue - new routes that should be ready by 2030

source: http://warszawa.wyborcza.pl/warszawa...l#BoxLokWawImg
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Old November 5th, 2015, 02:36 AM   #1313
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If you want to see me complain a lot check some threads about thermomodernization or the Warsaw Spire.
There's nothing wrong with being negative sometimes but with you it's pretty much all the time so I'm under the impression that you might suffer from major depression Remember that no matter how bad is the situation with public transportation in Warsaw there are always people who love you
Warsaw Spire is an excellent addition to Warsaw's skyline, so if you're negative about it you may need some happy pills to view it in a different way.

There's nothing wrong with criticising a bridge for not incorporating cycle lanes while it was being redeveloped.
As cyclists, it pisses us off.
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Old November 5th, 2015, 02:55 AM   #1314
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that's right bloganista you aren't alone...if you wanna talk, I'll listen
I've nothing to say to someone who thinks Warsaw is uncriticizable. :-)
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I never said that, it's just that I find you too stridently negative, you never say anything positive, you remind me of my mother....calling Dr. Freud
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Old November 5th, 2015, 09:33 AM   #1316
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Hello. Is there any information how many kilometers of tram tracks were reconstructed in Warsaw in the past 10 years (and in each year, maybe)? How many new tracks were built in the same period? Thanks and cheers!
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I never said that, it's just that I find you too stridently negative, you never say anything positive, you remind me of my mother....calling Dr. Freud
There are some positives but I don't view Warsaw through rose-tinted glasses as you do, especially its public transport system.

We're being ruled by total morons of whichever party ('głupie bydło' in Polish) and passive people like you enable them to get away with it.
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Hello. Is there any information how many kilometers of tram tracks were reconstructed in Warsaw in the past 10 years (and in each year, maybe)? How many new tracks were built in the same period? Thanks and cheers!
As far as I know, there's no such statistic.

It's easier to count new tracks, since in years 2006-2015 there were not many o them. It's around 8 km (one can add 2 km in year 2005). This interactive map could be helpful: http://sharemap.org/public/Trams_in_Warsaw#!flash

There are 2 types of "reconstructions" in fact:
- renovations, which are constant - Warsaw has best maintained tram network in Poland
- upgrades - many lines have been modernized last 10 years but it's not easy to count them all
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There are some positives but I don't view Warsaw through rose-tinted glasses as you do, especially its public transport system.

We're being ruled by total morons of whichever party ('głupie bydło' in Polish) and passive people like you enable them to get away with it.
I'm in no way passive. I have been an activist for years and have helped organize people to make positive changes, am currently working to save a historic building. What I don't like is negativity without action, this is toxic. Passivity and indifference is sickening too, but at least you don't get the complaining polluting the air. Replacing one group of morons with a potentially worse group of morons won't solve anything either, only organizing and pushing and pushing for change will get you somewhere and this has to become a never -ending tradition ingrained in Polish society. In Poland as anywhere politicians, especially those who want to seize power, take advantage of people and their grievances by promising what they want but cannot deliver once they win, as we see now in Poland for example. Only a more intelligent, sophisticated electorate that holds its government accountable daily will get results and not a passive ignorant electorate that believes in Santa Claus and that government can solve all their problems and whose only efforts are confined to packing their bags and emigrating.

Warsaw's transit could be much better, but it is already quite excellent compared to what I have seen in my own hometown. It's taking 8 years to build a 6 km extension to Toronto's subway system and we have all kinds of incompetence and ideologically-based stupidity to contend with as well on top of an indifferent passive electorate that never complains.
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I'm in no way passive. I have been an activist for years and have helped organize people to make positive changes, am currently working to save a historic building. What I don't like is negativity without action, this is toxic. Passivity and indifference is sickening too, but at least you don't get the complaining polluting the air.
Without complaint there would be total inertia. We need to identify what's wrong and take action to try and make it right. If there were never any complaints nothing would ever be constructed, we wouldn't even have any bridges.

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only organizing and pushing and pushing for change will get you somewhere and this has to become a never -ending tradition ingrained in Polish society. In Poland as anywhere politicians, especially those who want to seize power, take advantage of people and their grievances by promising what they want but cannot deliver once they win, as we see now in Poland for example.
Yes, and that cycle has to be broken.

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Only a more intelligent, sophisticated electorate that holds its government accountable daily will get results and not a passive ignorant electorate that believes in Santa Claus and that government can solve all their problems and whose only efforts are confined to packing their bags and emigrating.
Warsaw's transit could be much better, but it is already quite excellent compared to what I have seen in my own hometown.
You're comparing Warsaw to your home town which is... Kraków, Poznań, Toronto?
We should be comparing it to Paris, New York or London for example.

Do remember that Warsaw is THE capital of an EU giant with a population of over 40 milion and located slap bang in the middle of Europe! We have every right to expect at least twice as many metro stations as there are now, with at least 3 metro lines. Wilanów and Gocław should be served by tram and integrated with the rest of the tram network by now.

Yes, I agree with you about there being some progress made, but it is painfully slow, at snail's pace infact. We deserve much more competent and effective leadership, but what we get instead is a bunch of clowns.

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Bollocks to Toronto. We should be setting the standards, not trying to keep up with other cities around the world that set them all the time.
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