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Old March 12th, 2017, 02:16 PM   #1481
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There are 4 typical depots (the ones called R-x/ ZET-x).

The one called "ZETIT T-1" is a catenary and track maintenance facility (and that's the abbreviation meaning) and afaik there are several workcars stationed.
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Old March 12th, 2017, 03:44 PM   #1482
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1) Off Obozowa. I don't know the name of the depot, but I have heard it called "ZETIT T-1", which I don't understand,
ZETiT = Zakład Energetyki Trakcyjnej i Torów (Departament of Traction and Tracks)
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2) at PRAGA ("ZET R-2"?), on the south side of Kaweczynska,
ZET = Zakład Eksploatacji Tramwajów (Tram Operation Works).
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I am aware that a new depot is to be built at Annapol. Is it in addition to the depots, or is it replacing a current one?
It will replace R-2 depot, which will be converted (partly) into a museum.
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Have I missed any others?
Zakład Naprawy Tramwajów T-3 (Tram Repair Works), Młynarska Str., near R-1 depot.
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Old March 15th, 2017, 10:58 PM   #1483
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I was in Warsaw and made a video about the complete M2, filming at all stations:

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Old March 17th, 2017, 01:20 AM   #1484
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What's up with the door buttons? I can't imagine they serve much of a purpose on a high utilization line like m2. Do they even actually work or do doors always open?
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Old March 17th, 2017, 01:46 AM   #1485
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Since the Inspiro trains were introduced 4 years ago I had to use this button only once (I was so surprised that the door didn't open i almost missed my stop), and i travel by metro almost everyday.
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Old March 20th, 2017, 10:59 PM   #1486
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Yes, it's true that this part of M2 is heavily occupied and the buttons seem to be pointless. But bear in mind that currently M2 operates only in the strict city centre, after extension it will serve more peripheral areas.
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Old March 21st, 2017, 11:15 PM   #1487
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If a high cost metro station does not service a high flow of passengers there is little justification for building the station.
I see button operated doors as useful for services that visit stations with little traffic. The button ensures the door mechanisms are not unduly used, preserving service life. If the doors have to open in 99% of cases, there is no savings and only added costs in the form of extra parts, maintenance and possibility of malfunction.
No underground metro system should have stations with little passenger traffic, that's just waste of ressources. Have a bus or tram travel to that area instead, much cheaper capital investment. If you don't need the high capacity of a metro why build it?
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Old March 21st, 2017, 11:44 PM   #1488
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M2 will be even more heavily used once the western and eastern extensions open as those in the suburbs travel to/from Warsaw city centre
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Old March 22nd, 2017, 12:04 AM   #1489
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@metacatfry it's true what you have said, but in every metro system around the world you will have central stations heavily used and non-central stations used less. How do you imagine full utilization on the first station? I did not mean that there will be low traffic, I meant it will be lower than in the most central stations.
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Old March 22nd, 2017, 01:48 AM   #1490
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@metacatfry it's true what you have said, but in every metro system around the world you will have central stations heavily used and non-central stations used less. How do you imagine full utilization on the first station? I did not mean that there will be low traffic, I meant it will be lower than in the most central stations.
Have you been at Młociny? With properly organized park&ride system, terminal stations may be among the busiest ones.

Also, i don't see any use of door buttons in metro at all. They are useful, for me, only in two situations: either if there is no one willing to get in or out from th vehicle, so driver may just not open the doors at all and start few seconds faster, but it could only happen on low used bus stops, not ever on any metro station. Second is where opening the door unnecessarily may be uncomfortable to passengers due to weather outside. Again, doesn't apply to fully underground system that Warsaw has.
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Old March 22nd, 2017, 04:51 AM   #1491
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Just to clarify, I think this is a really minor issue and I think warszawa Metro is generally very nice and sensible, it just stood out to me because I know of no other metro systems with door buttons. They are more common on suburban systems.
I think one issue that can happen is that, in a high frequency metro system, dwell times at stations are very important. If someone pushes the button late this can extend the time the train spends at the station, potentially delaying the next train. This would only be a problem in systems with very high train frequencies, which Warszawa isn't quite yet.
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Old March 22nd, 2017, 04:57 PM   #1492
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Yes. That button on metro cars is pointless and could be confusing (so better if it is not in operation at all) but if this is the biggest "issue" of Warsaw metro then I think we are spoiled here while looking for very, very minor holes in everything what is good.
Metro in Warsaw is great!
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Old March 22nd, 2017, 10:36 PM   #1493
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Old March 24th, 2017, 01:05 PM   #1494
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I know of no other metro systems with door buttons. They are more common on suburban systems.
It seems that you haven't seen a lot of metro systems yet. Actually, many of the European metro systems use door buttons. Examples are: Paris Metro (door handles on older rolling stock, buttons on newer trains), Budapest Metro (Alstom Metropolis trains), London Underground (sub-surface lines), Berlin U-Bahn, Hamburg U-Bahn. To be honest, I know more metro systems where trains are equipped with door buttons, than these without them.
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Old March 24th, 2017, 04:30 PM   #1495
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I don't know many systems in detail, you are right. I did not know many of the examples you mention had buttons, and some surprise me.
Some of them I think make more sense because they visit stations with small footfall. Especially very old systems can experience that some stations loose much of their former relevance and while still experiencing some traffic, enough to keep the stations open, there will be many times where doors don't need to open.

I feel there is a boundary between systems where buttons make sense and where they don't, simply relating to how often doors are used relative to number of instances of possible uses in a typical operating day. If that ratio is very close to 100% the buttons are superfluous.
One thing that makes their implementation in Warszawa less useful is that all doors open, even if only one button is pressed.
But other factors than purely economics might make a operator choose buttons I guess.

I wonder if the planners of Warszawa metro had less confidence in their traffic projections and therefore choose to be flexible in their approach with respect to planning traffic handling. this could help explain the choice of door buttons.
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Old March 27th, 2017, 10:19 PM   #1496
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Some highlights on my short trip to Warsaw last week

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Old March 27th, 2017, 10:34 PM   #1497
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I can't wait to go to Warsaw one day and use the metro M1 & M2
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Old April 12th, 2017, 09:13 PM   #1498
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Construction of the M2 ni Targówek:

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Construction of the M2 in Wola:

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Old April 15th, 2017, 01:12 PM   #1500
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metro second line construction :

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