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Old September 24th, 2008, 06:45 PM   #141
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improved frequencies even improved further


The metro operator improved the service frequency a second time this year at the beginning of this month. I don't know about the Yellow Line here, but I can say that the remaining three lines seem to have a headway of between five and six minutes, which is the first time since the dawn of the 1980s that the service has been this frequent. Lunchtimes seem to revert to rush hour service, being every two to four minutes; evenings, much like daytime service; around midnight, up to every eight minutes (better than every 12 minutes).

The extended peak periods took too long to bring about.

There's still a lot of standing passengers but at least we've more breathing room on our rides underground.
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Old September 24th, 2008, 07:38 PM   #142
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Does Montreal have any plans for installing light rail?
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Old September 24th, 2008, 08:14 PM   #143
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^I have not heard anything about Montreal considering LRT. That does not mean it is not in the works as I'm not exactly an expert on Montreal's transit system.

Toronto on the other hand has a very ambitious LRT agenda.
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Old September 24th, 2008, 10:01 PM   #144
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I've heard of a couple of proposals - both on street LRT as well as an exclusive ROW line to the South Shore.

Apparently the South Shore LRT line is dead:

http://spacingmontreal.ca/2007/11/07...ir-light-rail/
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Old September 25th, 2008, 08:50 PM   #145
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Does Montreal have any plans for installing light rail?
Yes. From downtown to the harbour, alongside the western third of Old Montreal's riverfront southern boundary, and up Park Avenue a few kilometres -- they wanna route this line up the Côte-des-Neiges at some point, such that the tram line appear like yet another pair of buffalo horns on our rapid transit maps. Most of us dread the idea of its meddlesome installation, probably because we're fully aware of the metro being the superior form of getting somewhere in a hurry. Silliness! they wanna bury a roadway for several kilometres, without any train -- ain't that just the daftest?! But we're used to all this big-lippy talk, droning awn 'n awn (years on end...)

The regional Agence métropolitaine de transport is studying the feasibility of Tram-train, where a hefty portion of network ROW would be split between industrial-spur and commuter-route running, while the rest --maybe? one-third-- would course suburban boulevard medians.

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It's better termed dormant, but you're right nonetheless -- as of "Early Monday", read that paragraph and the subsequent few, all starting about two-thirds down the following posting I lodged about Pont Champlain Bridge, to grasp how come (there: who can think of a better tactic at burying any idea of rapid transit to the South Shore?):

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpo...0&postcount=81
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Old September 30th, 2008, 07:51 PM   #146
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Service frequency's also been bumped up, after all, on the city's Yellow Line; mind you, the newer MR73 units have been swapped for shorter MR63 ones.

This has probably been mentioned here some time ago, that Laval's mayor during the days of planning the Laval metro extension clinched passengers' paying higher fares when boarding the trains there in his 'burb.

The following 24 heures article:


Deux tarifications pour les usagers du transport en commun

Les Lavallois en ont assez de payer


Jean-Claude Grenier

29/09/2008 22h29 - Mise à jour 29/09/2008 22h32

Le prolongement de la ligne orange du métro vers Laval a été un succès. Toutefois, les usagers lavallois sont exaspérés de payer davantage que les Montréalais pour ce service.
24 heures Les trois nouvelles stations de métro en terre lavalloise ont créé un engouement inattendu de la part des autorités de transport. Des chiffres révèlent qu'avec l'ajout des stations Cartier, de la Concorde et Montmorency, ce sont 60 000 voyageurs supplémentaires par jour qui utilisent le métro.

Il n'y a pas l'ombre d'un doute. La prolongation de la ligne orange vers Laval est un retentissant succès. Si ces trois stations font le bonheur de plusieurs, elles continuent d'irriter des milliers d'usagers qui s'interrogent toujours sur cette double tarification imposée tandis que les usagers de la Rive-Sud n'ont pas à débourser un centime supplémentaire pour se rendre de Longueuil vers le centre-ville.

Incompréhension au niveau de la tarification

Les usagers rencontrés tout près du guichet de la station Montmorency se demandent pourquoi ils leur en coûte 16 50 $ pour l'achat de six billets alors que le prix est de 12 $ pour ces six titres de transport quand ils sont achetés sur le territoire montréalais et même au guichet de la station de métro de Longueuil. Les billets achetés sur l'île de Montréal ne fonctionnent pas dans les tourniquets de Laval.

«Ça fait plusieurs mois que je pose la question aux échangeurs et j'attends toujours une réponse. Pourquoi les usagers de Laval doivent-ils payer des frais supplémentaires», s'interroge Jasmin Roy.

Marie-Johanne Latour déplore également que les Lavallois aient à payer plus cher. «C'est vrai que le métro nous permet de traverser la rivière pour se rendre plus près de chez-nous, cependant les lacunes sont nombreuses. À quelques occasions, le service a été interrompu sur la ligne orange. On a dû quitter le métro à la station Henri-Bourassa et aucun système alternatif n'avait été mis sur pied pour nous permettre de se rendre vers Cartier, de la Concorde ou Montmorency. On a marché ou on a pris un taxi.»

«Quand je m'informe pour connaître la raison, on me répond avec un symbole de zone 3 qu'aucun usager ne comprend. La STM aurait aussi avantage à identifier d'une couleur différente les billets unitaires pour Laval et Montréal.» ajoute Louis P.Meilleur.

Mouvement

Aux trois stations lavalloises, des usagers du transport en commun ont entrepris la signature d'une pétition qui sera déposée en octobre ou novembre aux instances de la Société de transport de Montréal afin que les tarifs soient les mêmes à Laval qu'à Montréal concernant l'achat d'une lisière de six billets.
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Old October 29th, 2008, 06:59 PM   #147
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Google will help you navigate public transit

Montreal Gazette

Wednesday, October 29, 2008

MONTREAL - Want to know how to take public transit to get from Montreal to Blainville?

Now, you can get get detailed instructions to get around greater Montreal, estimated times of arrival and the cost of the fare, all on Google Maps.

The Montreal Transit Corp., the Metropolitan Transit Agency, the Réseau de Transport de Longueuil, and the Laval Transit Corp. have teamed up with 14 smaller public transit agencies around Montreal to offer the service.

The transit agencies will announce the new application at a press conference at Google's offices on McGill College Ave. Wednesday morning at 10. Montreal became the fourth Canadian city to offer the service, which is available in both official languages, and 10 other languages, including Arabic, Spanish and German.

"It's one of the more complicated public transit applications we have put together, because of the large number of agencies that had to work together," said Naomi Bilodeau, a spokesperson for Google, which will provide the service to the transit agencies free of charge.

Isabelle Tremblay, a spokesperson for the MTC, said she didn't know how many hours it took to put the application together, but Bilodeau said it took the transit agencies about a year to put all the information into the proper format so Google could read it and update it regularly.

It works the same way Google Maps's driving directions application works. You enter in your origin and destination, either by entering an address or postal code, or by clicking on a location on the map. You then click on the "get directions" button, and the "public transit" link. The program will show the user three alternate routes to take, and calculate the travel time. The user can also specify the time and day that he or she wants to leave the point of origin, or arrive at the destination.

"Google wants to see more people use the Internet," Bilodeau said. "We hope this will make it much more simple to take public transit and it will expose people to the options that they have available."

The program can be also accessed on Blackberrys and most cellular phones with Internet access, although for now, it will run slower on the iPhone, Bilodeau said. The service is also available in text-only format, for people who are visually impaired.

The program relies on the schedules set by the transit agencies months ahead of time, but it can also adapt to service disruptions and road closures if the information is updated routinely.

Bilodeau said it's not yet possible to link cities that also have the public transit option. Vancouver, Ottawa, and Fredericton are the other Canadian cities to offer the service, and Google Maps provides public transit information for 50 cities in the U.S., and several European cities.

On the web: maps.google.ca.
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Old November 14th, 2008, 03:33 PM   #148
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I think the Montreal Metro is much better than most systems I have ridden on. I do think that the handicped acsesability needs to be improved, and the cars need to be improved (not the outside design, but the susspension) I also think there could be higher frequincies...
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Old November 14th, 2008, 08:34 PM   #149
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(not the outside design, but the susspension)
Montreal's predominant, --uhm-- newer fleet, the MR73, is not equipped with suspension. I believe the MR63, our 42-year-old fleet, had its suspension retrofitted in the early- to mid-1990s, although I might be wrong about this being a component of their retrofit.
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Old January 9th, 2010, 11:05 AM   #150
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Are there any new developments or line extensions under construction?
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Old January 14th, 2010, 01:42 AM   #151
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hmmph, funny you should ask. I saw an Agence métropolitaine de transport advert in today's edition of the weekday freebie 24 heures, announcing their PTI 2010-2011-2012 report that summarises all their forthcoming studies and projects. The thing that hmmphs me is that their ad mentioned their extensions currently being studied amount to just a few stations' worth, yet some provincial minister here supposedly tasked the mayors of Montréal, Laval, and Longueuil to look into much lengthier extensions (more than one dozen's worth) than those being re-iterated by l'AMT...

Thus my answer must be, just who TF knows!

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Old January 27th, 2010, 10:34 PM   #152
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24 heures' 10-December-2008....errrr . . report

whether above rendering a proposal or the adoption itself still not apparent...no mention of bringing back suspension either
...photo was republished Monday (25 Jan 2010) to which I can't locate 24 heures' article...

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Old February 25th, 2010, 09:55 PM   #153
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Metro open all night Saturday 27 February 2010, again -- my! were passengers ever so different 3:30AM, same event, last year, compared to the metro's regular hours of operation; quite the eye-opener, it was! Platforms and trains were crowded/jam-packed.
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New bid arises for métro cars

Spain's CAF rides in: Muddies waters of STM's contentious contract

By François Shalom, The GazetteFebruary 27, 2010 10:26 AM


Société de transport de Montréal's original 336-car deal has grown to at least 765 cars at least and perhaps 1,053. Photograph by: Allen McInnis, Gazette file photo

MONTREAL – For a contract that started out as a no-bid handout to local train-maker Bombardier Inc., the field of bidders for the Montreal métro car replacement deal sure is getting crowded.

Spanish train manufacturer Construcciones y Auxiliar de Ferrocarriles SA (CAF) announced yesterday it will file a last-minute expression of interest for the contract that began in 2005 as a 336-car, $1.2-billion deal, but has multiplied in size either two-fold or three-fold since then.

That late entry roils the water even more for a contract that had a rocky start, but had settled down, until December at least, to the prosaic business of producing subway cars.

Jesus Esnaola, general manager of CAF's international division, told reporters that he and Julen Barrutia, area director of the international subsidiary, had a "very courteous" hour-long morning meeting with the Société de transport de Montréal after filing their thick, three-binder proposal to renew Montreal's métro cars ahead of Monday's deadline.

The issue has been controversial from its launch, when the STM announced Bombardier would be awarded the sole-source contract without going to tenders. That was overturned when Paris-based Alstom SA sued in Quebec Superior Court, and won its demand to be let in.

That seemed to be that for several years - until December, when Chinese firm C.S.R. Zhuzhou Electric Locomotive Co. demanded to be allowed to bid. It contended that the contract had never been open to international bids and that Alstom had simply latched on to the original closed bid. That forced a stunning reversal by the STM last month, when it halted the exclusive talks with the Bombardier/Alstom consortium and called for international tenders. It appeared all the more surprising since everyone involved had been saying for weeks that the results of the two-year-long negotiations - on price, the numbers of cars and many other details - had been finalized and would be announced within days.

Zhuzhou further muddied the waters by preparing a lawsuit to rescind the requirement in the STM's public request for proposals that the cars' wheels be made of rubber.

Glen Fisher, Zhuzhou's Canadian representative, claimed that pneumatics are increasingly antiquated technology and that the requirement is a transparent ploy to exclude Zhuzhou, which is proposing steel wheels.


STM spokesperson Odile Paradis would only say that "we did receive CAF's expression of interest and we're going to proceed with the analysis of the documents that they submitted to us under the public notice of intention, which ends on Monday at 3 p.m."

"We'll verify to see if they conform with our requirements. But we don't know, will there be others (interested by Monday)?"

Asked why CAF had waited until the last possible instant to make its interest known, Esnaola replied that it was because the contract had multiplied since its inception. The dollar amount of the contract has not been disclosed by the STM, but Paradis did confirm that it was now for 765 cars at least and perhaps 1,053, three times the original number.

"Actually," Barrutia said, "the STM published its (second) notice of intentions of interest only on Jan. 22."

Esnaola said that CAF did not bid on the original deal because "we had work on many other contracts before."

CAF has done rubber-wheel subway contracts in Santiago, Chile and in Mexico City, either as lead contractor or a partner. In Mexico, the lead builder was Bombardier, but CAF has not partnered with Bombardier on projects, unlike Alstom, Barrutia said.

Esnaola said that to respect the 60-per-cent Canadian-content threshold requirement, CAF would build a plant "somewhere in Quebec" and use many of the same local sub-contractors that do business with Bombardier and Alstom.

"We have done the same thing in Brazil, where we are working on the Sao Paulo métro," Esnaola said.

But Esnaola and Barrutia would not be drawn out on whether the Montreal métro could switch to steel wheels, as Zhuzhou is proposing to do.

CAF has a factory in New York and has worked on mass-transit systems in Houston, Pittsburgh and Washington, D.C.

The company does not make mass- transit engines and would have to outsource the powertrain component for the Montreal contract.

Esnaola said that despite being present in Asia, CAF has no interest in bidding on contracts in China, which is set to build more than 70,000 kilometres of train lines that will require thousands of trains during the next decade.

"We think Chinese companies will win those contracts," Esnaola said.


Read more: http://www.montrealgazette.com/arise...#ixzz0glN9sQsY
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So what, some guy is saying that they should replace hundreds of kms of track just to run steel-wheeled cars when the current technology is already perfectly adequate? Ridiculous.
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So what, some guy is saying that they should replace hundreds of kms of track just to run steel-wheeled cars when the current technology is already perfectly adequate? Ridiculous.
I thought that the Montreal Metro already had steel rails anyway.
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Pneumatics are not antiquated technology.
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I thought that the Montreal Metro already had steel rails anyway.
It does, but they act as failsafe, should a tire go flat. So the state of the tracks is -- my guess -- unknown, so major works may be necessary.

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Any new constructions in this technology, other than in Paris?
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Old March 11th, 2010, 08:28 PM   #159
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So what, some guy is saying that they should replace hundreds of kms of track just to run steel-wheeled cars when the current technology is already perfectly adequate? Ridiculous.
Errrr, we don't possess hundreds of kilometres of metro tracks here...approx 150's worth, that's all After listening to the Chinese manufacturer's (English-speaking) N.A. rep on regional radio yesterday morning, I'd say his firm's more an abomination after listening to his refutation of their disqualification by our transit authority...our cars are approaching 35 and 45 years of age respectively, and his firm's brattiness is currently proposing to contest their disqualification in some court of law, which really risks further dragging out this replacement of our pair of fleets.



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It does, in addition to the concrete ones and the lateral steel ones.




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So the state of the tracks is -- my guess -- unknown, so major works may be necessary.
The tracks are fine...the only major work that'd be necessary would be to plop down a lot of ballast atop the concrete track flooring to muffle loudly clanging steel wheels...



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I read a short news report Summer 2009 that some urban community's adopted pneumatic-tyred rolling stock for its new metro system, but forget which one.

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which really risks further dragging out this replacement of our pair of fleets.
And how is that abnormal, I mean the protest? It happens every time, in every country.

I mean no offence, but is there anybody in Montreal who can do better than moving Mirabel to Dorval? Where are the voters, drunk resting at home? Why is this not a scandal?

Why do you people allow such things?
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