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Old March 12th, 2010, 12:02 PM   #161
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Why were Chinese rail manufacturers not allowed to compete for the contract?

Is it because of poor Chinese train standards, or because Canada wants Bombardier to win? :P
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Old March 26th, 2010, 01:30 AM   #162
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It's nothing to do with that firm's hailing from the PRC -- -- for years now, ads on English-language TV have boasted how we federal constituents ought to be proud about some Cdn train manufacturer being some darling at pumpin' out snazzy trains, none of which's ever seen any service coast to coast to coast over here...


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And how is that abnormal, I mean the protest? It happens every time, in every country.
I never wrote its being abnormal; besides, what're you claiming as happening everywhere?



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I mean no offence, but is there anybody in Montreal who can do better than moving Mirabel to Dorval?
Yes, that'd be us, over here: We had moved half of Dorval out to Mirabel, where landing in the middle of the bush (i.e., wilderness) unnecessarily induced unsuspecting passengers reckon they'd been hijacked ("no sign of the city: where is it?!").



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Where are the voters, drunk resting at home? Why is this not a scandal?

Why do you people allow such things?
I bet those people are yet still making their way home here from Mirabel...
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Old March 26th, 2010, 07:02 PM   #163
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It does, but they act as failsafe, should a tire go flat. So the state of the tracks is -- my guess -- unknown, so major works may be necessary.


Any new constructions in this technology, other than in Paris?
Lyon, Torino, Rennes, Lausanne, Toulouse etc...
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Old March 27th, 2010, 06:25 AM   #164
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Why were Chinese rail manufacturers not allowed to compete for the contract?
The article quotes one Chinese company, not all of them. And the reason this said company is disqualified is because they do not meet the specifications of the Montreal Metro. It's like complaining that London Underground is excluding Chinese companies because they're disqualifying full sized metro trains from being manufactured for tube-sized Underground lines. If they want a chance at constructing the next generation of Montreal Metro carriages then they should design ones with rubber tyres, they're in no position as the seller to judge what the buyer wants. It's preposterous!
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Old March 28th, 2010, 09:35 AM   #165
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Well it's pretty arrogant and stupid of the Chinese company to complain about being disqualified from the tender then
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Old March 28th, 2010, 07:34 PM   #166
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When will construction begin on new lines and stations?
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Old April 7th, 2010, 01:17 AM   #167
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at this rate? your guess just might be better than any of ours over here
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Old April 30th, 2010, 12:06 AM   #168
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Nouvel appel d’offres pour les voitures de métro: Rien n’est encore joué



La Société de transport de Montréal (STM) s’est montrée très prudente, mercredi, en commentant la possibilité de lancer un nouvel appel d’offres afin d’octroyer le contrat pour le renouvellement de 765 voitures du métro.

Contrairement à ce qui a été avancé par Le Devoir mercredi, la STM a indiqué ne pas avoir reçu le rapport final de la firme Hatch Mott MacDonald, qui est chargée d’étudier la proposition de l’espagnole CAF (Construcciones y Auxiliar de Ferrocarriles). La porte-parole de la STM, Odile Paradis, a indiqué que le rapport n’était attendu que dans quelques jours.

«[Mercredi], nous avons eu une rencontre en comité restreint avec les experts du groupe Hatch Mott MacDonald, a précisé Mme Paradis. Les gens ont échangé et ils ont peut-être demandé des ajouts d’information [à CAF]. Ce n’est qu’après cette rencontre que le groupe Hatch finalisera son rapport.»

En attendant, la STM refuse de confirmer ou d’infirmer qu’un nouvel appel d’offres sera lancé. Selon Le Devoir, pourtant, l’entreprise CAF répondrait à toutes les conditions imposées par la STM.

Délais supplémentaires
Advenant le lancement d’un nouvel appel d’offres, les usagers du métro devraient composer avec au moins une année de délais supplémentaire. Dans ce cas, les nouvelles voitures pourraient être livrées au cours de l’année 2014.

La Confédération des syndicats nationaux (CSN) s’est élevée contre ces nouveaux délais. Elle a exigé que le gouvernement assume ses responsabilités et octroie le contrat sans délai au consortium Alstom-Bombardier. «L’emploi, le service, l’environnement, l’âge de la flotte, tout milite pour commencer la construction des nouvelles voitures sans délai, a déclaré la présidente de la CSN, Claudette Carbonneau. La question n’est pas d’occulter un processus d’appel d’offres. Il y en a eu dans le passé et le contrat a bien été alloué.»

Le ministère des Trans*ports du Québec (MTQ) n’a pas répondu à cet appel, évitant de sombrer dans la spéculation. Le Parti québécois a pour sa part dénoncé la «comédie d’erreurs» dans laquelle le gouvernement Charest a plongé la STM depuis 2006, année au cours de laquelle il a accordé le contrat du renouvellement des voitures de métro à Bombardier sans appel d’offres. Au moment de mettre sous presse, Bombardier et Alstom n’avaient pas répondu aux appels de Métro.
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Old May 14th, 2010, 07:56 PM   #169
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Des parfums dangereux



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La couverture de l’étude Rien pour séduire : les risques associés aux substances secrètes contenues dans les parfums.
MATHIAS MARCHAL
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12 mai 2010 22:13

Britney Spears est-elle dangereuse pour la santé? C'est ce qu'on pourrait conclure à la lecture d'une étude publiée mercredi sur la dangerosité de certains composants chimiques contenus dans les parfums. Curious, celui de la célèbre chanteuse pop, fait partie des produits épinglés.

«Les substances chimiques qu'ils contiennent sont inhalées ou absorbées par la peau. Un grand nombre aboutissent dans l'organisme, dont celui des femmes enceintes et des nouveau-nés», prétend Jane Houlihan, VP de la recherche du Environmental Working Group, le laboratoire qui a testé 17 parfums achetés au Canada et aux États-Unis.

Chaque parfum contenait en moyenne 14 substances comme le phtalate de diéthyle et le musc de synthèse. À cause d'une faille légale, certaines substances échappent à la loi sur l'étiquetage, déplore la coalition à l'origine de l'étude.

Asthme et maux de tête, dérèglements hormonaux, allergies : la liste des effets supposés de ces substances est longue. En tout, 91 produits chimiques différents ont été repérés. Ce serait trois fois plus que le nombre de substances surveillées par les organismes de contrôle mis en place par l'industrie.

Santé Canada assure de son côté «surveiller le marché pour détecter tout effet indésirable signalé et prendre les mesures correctives qui s'imposent pour protéger la santé et la sécurité des Canadiens».

Des parfums épinglés
Voici quelques parfums montrés du doigt :


Seventy Seven : Plus grand nombre de substances chimiques
Aqua di Gio : Plus grand nombre de substances allergisantes
Ceux de Halle Berry et de Jennifer Lopez : Perturbateurs endocriniens
Lire le rapport (Anglais) doesn't work, dead link
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Old May 14th, 2010, 09:58 PM   #170
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Has the light rail in Montreal begun construction?
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Old May 14th, 2010, 11:05 PM   #171
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No -- first, the authorities/stakeholders around here have to blab & blab about this kind of idea for several decades before most of us locals ever get to see it, you know.
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Old May 22nd, 2010, 09:55 PM   #172
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Can anybody please explain how come Metro's online versions of their reports differ from their print copies? Thanking you in advance.
Métro : La STM conteste la requête d'Alstom-Bombardier

La Société de transport de Montréal (STM) entend contester la requête du consortium Alstom-Bombardier qui vise à invalider l'avis public international lancé en janvier dernier pour le remplacement des voitures de métro.

«La STM est en total désaccord avec les prétentions que le consortium amène dans sa requête», a déclaré la porte-parole Odile Paradis. Cette dernière a indiqué que la STM a fait preuve de rigueur dans tout le processus et qu'elle a travaillé en concertation avec le gouvernement du Québec.

Le consortium remet en cause l'avis public devant la Cour supérieur du Québec, arguant que les conditions comprises dans l'avis public étaient moins exigeantes que celles de l'appel d'offres de 2008, ce qui contrevient à la lettre d'autorisation du ministère des Affaires municipales, des Régions et de l'Occupation de territoire censée encadrer le processus d'octroi du contrat. Les clauses concernant le contenu canadien et l'expertise du fournisseur étaient différentes, selon le consortium.

«Les avocats de la STM prendront tous les moyens nécessaires pour accélérer la procédure», a avisé Mme Paradis.

Le consortium Alstom-Bombardier a réussi à s'entendre en décembre avec le gouvernement du Québec et la STM pour le remplacement de 365 voitures de métro. Puisque le contrat stipule désormais que 765 voitures devront être construites, un avis public international a été publié. Deux entreprises y ont répondu : le chinois Zhuzhou Electric Locomotive et l'entreprise espagnole CAF. La proposition de celle-ci est toujours analysée par la firme Hatch Mott MacDonald, qui doit rendre incessamment son rapport final à la STM.
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Old October 2nd, 2010, 10:13 PM   #173
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Bidding process for metro cars halted

'Emergency need' cited. Special law to award contract would send negative protectionist message: CAF

By FRANCOIS SHALOM, The Gazette October 1, 2010


Twelve hours before an international call for bids was to be issued yesterday, Quebec once more short-circuited the much-delayed bidding process to replace Montreal's metro cars for a week.

The sudden halt of the tortuous process -five years and counting -is ultimately meant to accelerate the "emergency need" to replace the aging subway fleet, a government spokesperson said.

And Quebec, La Presse said, will reportedly revert to its original position of 2005 by invoking a special law that would once again hand the rich deal to Bombardier Inc. on a no-bid basis, a stance that launched the Montreal metro contract saga spiralling into farce.

Asked why Quebec is adding a new chapter to the labyrinthine process of lawsuits, countersuits, grinding halts, restarts, contract changes and a host of other delays, all of which have cost millions of dollars, Alexandre Boucher, an aide to Transport Minister Sam Hamad, said that "it's because it is a priority for the minister."

"There is an emergency need to renew the (subway) fleet for the Montreal passengers and for the Quebec economy."

But he would not confirm information in La Presse that a Bombardier/Alstom consortium would get the nod.

Asked about the apparent contradiction of accelerating a process by stopping it, Boucher noted that "of the 52 months since this has been in the works (officially on Quebec's books), 36 were due to judicial pursuits (by a Chinese firm), 15 to the Societe de transport de Montreal's decisional process and one month to Quebec's decisional process."

The STM and Bombardier/ Alstom referred all questions

to the Quebec government.

Philippe Roy, a spokesperson for Construcciones y Auxiliar de Ferrocarriles, S.A. (CAF), the Spanish firm that forced the reopening of the process in a splashy January development, said it was "abnormal" and "quite stunning that the Quebec government, suddenly and in the middle of the night, is changing the rules of the game."

Jesus Esnaola, CAF's director of international affairs, called the special law "an apparently extremely negative protectionist message," adding that "the maintenance of jobs is an argument that cannot be validly invoked to push CAF away from the bidding process."

CAF has undertaken to create as many Quebec jobs and to deliver the cars on time. CAF asked Premier Jean Charest for an emergency meeting on the matter.

CAF reminded Charest in a statement that it "expressed its interest to participate in the international call for tenders after an invitation by the STM and the government of Quebec."

"CAF always believed in the good faith of the parties involved and in the integrity of the process."

The firm warned that invoking a special law will be completely contrary to agreements and practices that govern international commerce.

"This simply makes no sense," Roy said. "What kind of message is Quebec sending to foreign firms that want to invest here?"

He said it was premature to say if CAF will sue to stop any eventual no-bid award to the Bombardier consortium.

But he noted bluntly that Bombardier is the largest train supplier in Spain, suggesting that the company might be subject to retaliatory measures on contracts there.

The news report claims that Bombardier will receive an initial deal to supply 500 metro cars, half of the projected order.

Richard Bergeron, a member of Montreal's executive committee in charge of urban planning, said he was "extremely disappointed" by the halt.

Noting that there's a by-election after the recent death of Claude Bechard, Quebec's former transport minister in whose riding Bombardier's La Pocatiere plant will do work for the contract, Bergeron said "there's too much parochial provincial politics involved in this decision."

"Bombardier needs no leg-up, it's an emblem of Quebec business milieu, quite capable of winning on its own.

"The attempts to benefit Bombardier led us to this chaotic road to begin with.

"Everything indicates that (the $3.5 billion widely quoted for 1,053 cars) is too expensive, up to $1 billion too much."

The savings could pay for Montreal's tramway project, he added.

Unions and the Conseil du patronat expressed support for Quebec's decision.


Read more: http://www.montrealgazette.com/news/...#ixzz11EKuNakc
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So basically, back to square one.

If I were Charest, I would invoke some imaginary emergency powers and award the contract to CAF immediately, just to spite Bombardier.
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Old October 3rd, 2010, 12:18 AM   #175
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Why does Montreal Metro remind me so much of the Paris metro? From Rubber tires to the actual stations...
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The MR-63 was loosely based off the MP-59.

And Montreal's stations are similar to the ones in Brussels and Santiago (perhaps Montreal's station design inspired both cities?)
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Why does Montreal Metro remind me so much of the Paris metro? From Rubber tires to the actual stations...
Well, I guess the French share technologies amongst its French-speaking counterparts.
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So basically, back to square one.

If I were Charest, I would invoke some imaginary emergency powers and award the contract to CAF immediately, just to spite Bombardier.
Good hunch nonetheless
Quebec law to award métro car contract to Bombardier-Alstom

By Kevin Dougherty and Andy Riga, Gazette Quebec

Bureau October 5, 2010 1:05 PM



Société de transport de Montréal is about to announce the final terms of the contract to replace its fleet of métro cars. The only two bidders on the contract, Bombardier Inc. and Alstom SA, have formed a consortium to build the large order, which could number up to 700 cars.

LA POCATIÈRE - The Quebec National Assembly will adopt a law to award the Bombardier-Alstom consortium a contract to build 500 métro cars for Montreal's subway.

The contract is worth about $1.3 billion, or $2.6 million for each of the 500 metro cars, Premier Jean Charest said.

Charest made the announcement Tuesday at Bombardier's factory here where subway and transit rail cars are assembled.

The decision means the contract won't be opened to other bidders. In a communique, the Quebec government said the Montreal metro contract is not subject to international trade rules, which call for a competitive bidding process, because the consortium is the unique supplier in Canada.

CAF, a Spanish company, and Chinese builders, had expressed interest in the contract and may launch legal challenges.

La Pocatière, 140 kilometres northeast of Quebec City, is in Kamouraska-Témiscouata riding, where Charest's Liberals hope to win a by-election.

The seat was held by Claude Béchard, a minister in the Charest cabinet, who died last month.

Montreal Mayor Gerald Tremblay has welcomed news that new metro cars appear to finally be on the way.

It's good news for Montreal, which "urgently" needs the new equipment to replace cars built in the mid-1960s, Tremblay told reporters Tuesday soon after Premier Jean Charest announced the deal.

Asked if he fears lawsuits from competing companies will cause further delays, Tremblay said, "I'm assuming that the Quebec government made due diligence on their decision."


More details to come.

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It's Bombardier's MR-73 that's the fleet that's becoming loose (Canadian Vickers' prior fleet's still solid).

Bah, I found it telling after listening to this news on the radio only to find myself several hours later riding one of the younger trains wherein my wagon felt and sounded like it was about to collapse, particularly on the bends. Plus the train was being driven manually and never neared maximum speed, which is unusual in manual mode coz drivers deftly try to outdo the maximum speed without (momentarily) inducing the automatic overspeed brakes.

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Montreal mentioned by Int'l Transport Consultant, Jarrett Walker:
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Andy Riga of the Montreal Gazette did an interview of me on Frequent Network branding, in response to the rollout of such a brand by their local transit agency, the STM. The whole interview is here. News stories based on it are here and here.

The most useful big-picture idea, in restrospect, is probably this:

Many urban opinion leaders in North America have formed their idea of good transit from travelling in Europe, where many cities have rail networks that feel complete. In London, Paris, and Berlin, rail seems to be going everyone that most people, and certainly most tourists, want to go. So these opinion leaders come away with the view that building great transit is about expanding rail.
That attitude is colliding with the urgency of transit improvement in North America [and Australasia], where most cities have incomplete rail networks if they have them at all. Faced with the big sustainabiliy challenges that are coming on, these cities are discovering that they need quality transit sooner, and in more places, than they can possibly deliver with rail network expansions.
So it no longer makes sense to say that the "good" transit network is the rail network. We need brands and systems of communication that help people see where their good services are, regardless of whether they're rail or bus or ferry or gondola. And since we all hate waiting, frequency is the most important variable to market!
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