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Old January 1st, 2006, 04:38 PM   #21
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Moscow and Piter has lost pretty much. It's only 400km and 700km of networks left in Moscow and Piter from thousands kilometers...
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Old January 1st, 2006, 05:01 PM   #22
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Singapore
Year: 1905 - 1927
Lines: 6 Lines Through Singapore Town
Company: Singapore Electric Tramways Company (London)
Passengers Per Day: 11,000 At Its Peak
Finances: Unprofitable

Sorry but that's all the information I have on this very unknown piece of Singapore's public transportation history.
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Old January 1st, 2006, 05:24 PM   #23
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Bangkok Trams (1894-1968) within 2bangkok.com website.
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Old January 2nd, 2006, 06:12 PM   #24
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OK, Since I'm half Croatian I'll post information on Zagreb Tram System,

Historic trams (1920's - 1940's)


Old trams - (1950's - 2005)


ZET (Zagreb Electric tram) was established in 1894 and was horse drawn at first. First electric trams started to run on line 1 between western part of the city and main railway station way back in 1898 but fully electrified line wasn't put i to full service before 1907... By 1908 Zagreb had replaced all of its horse drawn trams with Electric powered trams. I don't know how many tram lines there where in 1901 or before that as I can't find out on the net, to give you an idea Zagreb in 1908 had 128 000 Inhabitants and was 4th largest and most important city in Austro-Hungarian Empire.. With in 20 years city's population doubled and by 1951 population census Zagreb had 350 000 Inhabitants... Today Zagreb has 880 000 Inhabitants and 320 000 in Suburbia, 15 tram lines are in operation with about 250-300 trams, future 4-5 tram lines are planed (by 2008) and purchase of 170 new low floor trams has just commenced (10 are already in service).

City has plans to expand network even further including underground tram lines and light metro...

New TMK 2200 5 section low floor tram


Older trams - enterd service in 90's


Presently Zagreb has only 58km of double tram tracks, line length is about 180km, I understand in 1924 (height of Zagreb Tram, Network) Zagreb had 20 tram lines and almost 60km of tram tracks laid..

New Lines planed 4 so far, will add additional 25km of tram tracks and about 70km of line length...

Presently:

Length of tracks 58.5km
Length of Routes - 180km

ZET Stock

45 German Duwag Trams
90 Tatra T4 Trams (will be retired in late 2006)
50 Tatra T4KY Articulated Trams
17 TMK2100 Koncar Articulated Trams
170 TMK 2200 Cro-Tram low Floor Trams (10 thus far in service)
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Old January 3rd, 2006, 03:00 PM   #25
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Moscow and Piter has lost pretty much. It's only 400km and 700km of networks left in Moscow and Piter from thousands kilometers...
It's still one of the largest in the world if it's 400km and 700km. Melbourne's 245km of track today already makes it something like the third or fourth largest network in the world.

Melbourne first had electric trams in 1889 although that line was a failure. There was also a large cable tram network at one stage as well as the electric trams, which eventually became a network of only electric trams.

During the 1940s, the tram operator was extremely profitable and had to find extravagant ways to spend its money. By the 50s and 60s when it was popular to tear out trams and replace them with buses, they had every tram line set in concrete to make removing tram lines expensive.

Not much has really happened since then apart from the odd fleet replacements and a few extensions here and there. Right now there's 35 routes, 245km of double track with 500 trams running from 8 depots.
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Old January 3rd, 2006, 03:18 PM   #26
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here is what was in Moscow in 1929
http://tram.ruz.net/maps/sh19291000.gif

and here is 2004 - 412km left.
http://tram.ruz.net/maps/sh20041225.png
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Old January 3rd, 2006, 03:50 PM   #27
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A great thread. So, so far we have the following identified at their max level...

Moscow: 1000km+ (Coth, do you have exact length of route km?)
Berlin: 650km (1929)
London 555km (192x?)
Rome: 400km (1929)
Sydney: (nearly) 300km (1930)'s (Sirhc8, do you have exact figures for route km?)
Melbourne: 245km (Present)
Brisbane: 109km (1952)

Let's keep adding to this list! I think this will also be one transport thread where North America and in particular, the U.S. will do very well, as the U.S. had some mammoth tram networks in it's day.
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Old January 3rd, 2006, 03:53 PM   #28
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It's still one of the largest in the world if it's 400km and 700km. Melbourne's 245km of track today already makes it something like the third or fourth largest network in the world.
When looking at single networks, Melbourne currently ranks somewhere between 4th and 6th in the world (route length).

It's main competitors are Vienna and Milan (from memory) which both also have around 245km and depending on which of the three cities (including Melbourne) complete their extensions, they often jump slightly ahead of each other.

When looking at Metropolitan Area's, Melbourne drops to about 8th place, as there are a few metro's in Europe which have several "seperate" networks, i.e. one each of the different centers in the MA that are connected by metro lines or suburban lines. The Rhein Ruhr is one of these.
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Old January 3rd, 2006, 04:07 PM   #29
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According to Wikipedia (german) Hamburg had a horse-tram network from 16th August 1866 until 18th December 1922 and an electric tram network from 5th March 1894 until 30th September 1978. According to this link (also in german) Hamburg's tram network was nearly 250km large shortly before WW1 and in 1956 more than 250 million passengers were transported on 18 lines.
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Old January 3rd, 2006, 04:37 PM   #30
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ok, so:

Moscow: 1000km+ (Coth, do you have exact length of route km?)
Berlin: 650km (1929)
London 555km (192x?)
Rome: 400km (1929)
Sydney: 290km (1933)
Hamburg: 250km (191x)
Melbourne: 245km (Present)
Brisbane: 109km (1952)
Lisbon: 76km (1960)

Found the Lisbon info here: http://www.luso.u-net.com/listram2.htm
and Sydney detail from here: http://www.railpage.org.au/tram/sydhist.html

additional: I'm not convinced that St. Petersburg and Moscow were over a thousand km of route rail, this maybe a total track figure, as this link suggests the 700km figure for St. Petersburg was track length http://www.saint-petersburg.com/tran...tram/index.asp
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Old January 3rd, 2006, 04:56 PM   #31
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Hamburg: 250km (193x)
shortly before the "Great War", not WW2. Should be 191x then.
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Old January 3rd, 2006, 05:16 PM   #32
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shortly before the "Great War", not WW2. Should be 191x then.
Opps, I was thinking pre WWII just automatically, as that's when most tram networks were at their peak. I've corrected it. Thanks.
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Old January 3rd, 2006, 06:34 PM   #33
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well, may be i was few wrong on 1000+km for moscow... as i found data for 1909 and 1940.
In 1909 one side track length - 251 versts (268km)
In 1940 one side track length - 540,7km, where 456,8km was used for passenger service.
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Old January 3rd, 2006, 06:36 PM   #34
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The history of the Amsterdam tram network (including historical maps) can be found here.
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Old January 3rd, 2006, 06:45 PM   #35
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Trams in Prague
1883 - 1885 horse tram network 18.9 km.


1891- first electric line

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1897 several independent tram companies were established


1905 tram line on Charles Bridge


1914-1917 ambulance and funeral trams appeared in Prague


1927 the tram network exceeded 100 km.

During the interwar period the rolling stock of trams almost doubled and at the end of 1938 it consisted of 647 motor cars and 748 trailers.

In 1938 tram network covered 132.7 km of tracks with 22 lines of a total length 258.45 km. Almost 282 mil. passengers were carried throughout the year. (Just by comparison - in 1919 over 145 mil. passengers)


In 1965 there were 28 lines operating in Prague. The rolling stock consisted of 973 motor cars and 542 trailers, of which 130 T1 cars and 405 T3 cars


2003 new line to Barrandov



Present numbers:
559 km line lenght
270 km of track network
35 lines
928 rolling stock

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Old January 3rd, 2006, 06:50 PM   #36
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^Prase1, Do you mean 270km route length?
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Old January 3rd, 2006, 06:53 PM   #37
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hmm here is for piter
http://www.spb-business.ru/show.php?directory=70046

strange on maps old networks look more dense and bigger but on real those was shorter... may be because of new long lines to new disctrict moscow and piter networks now bigger than in old times...

1904 - about 100km
1906 - over 150km
1917 - 200km
1928 - 274km
1940 - 529km
1990 - almot 700km
now as i remember about 682km.
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Old January 3rd, 2006, 07:12 PM   #38
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Latest list:

St Petersburg: 700km (1990)
Berlin: 650km (1929)
London 555km (192x?)
Moscow: 457km (1940)
Rome: 400km (1929)
Sydney: 290km (1933)
Prague: 270km (Present)
Hamburg: 250km (191x)
Melbourne: 245km (Present)
Brisbane: 109km (1952)
Lisbon: 76km (1960)
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Old January 3rd, 2006, 07:17 PM   #39
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^Prase1, Do you mean 270km route length?
Yeah. 270km is the actual length of track network.
I think some people mistake it for line length.
It's usually much longer because some lines share certain parts of tracks. So that's why I posted both numbers.
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Old January 3rd, 2006, 07:22 PM   #40
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Amsterdam in 1931, when the network had the most lines (25, to 17 now):

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