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Old May 30th, 2009, 05:43 PM   #41
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Old May 30th, 2009, 09:36 PM   #42
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Antoni Gaudí felt only catalan and all his architecture is full of catalanist simbology: it's unthinkable to understand his works without its political piece. He support the Lliga Regionalista, a catanist party. To say that he was "spanish" is an insult to his memory...

And it's not "spanish art nouveau" (unexistent). Is Catalan Modernism, an independent artistical movement.
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Old May 30th, 2009, 10:28 PM   #43
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Dice "Spain´s Art Nouveau Genius", no Spanish Art Nouveau, creo que el titulo de este thread es correcto... Gaudi era un ciudadano español a final de cuentas...
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Old May 30th, 2009, 11:02 PM   #44
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Gaudí legalmente era ciudadano español, pero consagró buena parte de su obra al catalanismo, daba apoyo público a la Lliga Regionalista, habló en catalán al mismo Rey Alfonso XIII y se consideraba catalán. La adscripción de una persona a un sentimiento nacional es puramente personal y tiene que ser respetada, más allá del argumento simplista de "lo que dice el DNI".

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Old May 30th, 2009, 11:36 PM   #45
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esto... y a quién le importa? estamos en un foro de arquitectura. Dejate tus nacionalismos para ¡La barra! o para otros foros
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Old May 31st, 2009, 12:20 AM   #46
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Eso le importa a quien tenga un poco de rigor histórico y arquitectónico y vea un disparate rotundo en el título de este thread.
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Old May 31st, 2009, 12:27 AM   #47
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Guille, estoy de acuerdo en las manifestaciones y orientaciones politico-culturales de Gaudi... pero el nombre del hilo no pasa de ser meramente la verdad, y eso es que Gaudi tenia pasaporte español...

su arte, en fin, es lo que apreciamos...
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Old May 31st, 2009, 12:33 AM   #48
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Su arte plagada de simbología catalanista. Es un insulto a su memoria decir que fue un genio del "art nouveau español" (cosa inexistente, además). Desde el punto de vista arquitectónico Gaudí fue parte del Modernismo Catalán.
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Su arte plagada de simbología catalanista. Es un insulto a su memoria decir que fue un genio del "art nouveau español" (cosa inexistente, además). Desde el punto de vista arquitectónico Gaudí fue parte del Modernismo Catalán.
vos sabes ingles... Spain's art nouveau genius se traduce al castellano como el Genio de España del Art Nouveau... cosa de sintaxis...
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Old May 31st, 2009, 07:24 AM   #50
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Some of you might get warned as well as your posts deleted, if you don't stop this Spanish-Catalonian flamewar.

And btw, we're still in the International forums, so stick the **** to English, gentlemen!
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Old May 31st, 2009, 03:14 PM   #51
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You mean "stick to posting in English" don't you.
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Old May 31st, 2009, 03:44 PM   #52
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It's obvious Gaudi was a a Catalan genius. The man refused to speak Spanish.

He had little to do with Art nouvea.
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Old May 31st, 2009, 03:59 PM   #53
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Some of you might get warned as well as your posts deleted, if you don't stop this Spanish-Catalonian flamewar.

And btw, we're still in the International forums, so stick the **** to English, gentlemen!


Hey... this is not exactly a nationalist war. In order to be rigouros, it's just an explanation about the artist, and the political piece of it's work.
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WOW !!! Gaudi was a genius

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Old May 31st, 2009, 04:48 PM   #55
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Spanish Art Noveu? What's this style? The Gaudi style was Catalan Modernism. That's it. Nobody who study architecture name his style like Spanish Art Noveau. It's independent the fact that Catalonia is Spain, it's absolutely independent. His style have an own name that is Catalan Modernism, so the title is wrong and you have to change it, not for nacionalisms, just for for architectural rigor. And it's true that Catalan Modernism was influenced by the Art-Noveau, but now, all the architectural historians name that style like Catalan Modernism. You have to change it.
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Old May 31st, 2009, 05:33 PM   #56
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stop now!!

Spain's Art Nouveau Genius means from Catalonia, Madrid, Andalusia or Basque Country, it is rfiere to Spain, the Spanish state, it is not rifered to the name of the artistic movement, so this discussion is meaningless nonsense.

And Guille, the liga reginalista was not independentist, it was federal, so if Gaudi was from this party, it don't means that he wasn't spanish, he was Catalan and Spanish , so that anger doesn't make sense, because if he was only catalan he would have been from the party "estat català"


so in this thread you shoul talk about architecture, not politics
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Old May 31st, 2009, 05:45 PM   #57
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Estat Català was not an independentist party in it's origins, was catalanist.

And the Lliga Regionalista was a catalanist party (federal and monarchic too, but catalanist) and Gaudí give public support to it...

He's not a "Spain's Art Nouveau genius" because his artistical movement was not Art Nouveau, was Catalan Modernism. It's not the same at all.
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The Modernism movement is an aspect of the Art Nouveau era. The forms essentially fit the forms and themes of Art Nouveau.
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This building is often overlooked. Collegi de les Teresines, Barcelona. Little to do with Art Nouveau again.

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Old May 31st, 2009, 07:32 PM   #60
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In Spanish all kind of Art Nouveau, also known as modern-style, is called modernismo, in Catalan modernisme, hence the confussion. The English term modernism (like that of Mies van der Rohe) could be translated as movimiento moderno. That said, modernisme is clearly a local variant of art nouveau mixed with local historicism and some rationalist influences in some cases.
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