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Powerful Naval Forces of Europe
Lets post here photos and information about the naval forces of european countries .
To make the thread more interesting here are the rules: 1) Its better to focus on newer type warships and submarines. (-at most 15 years-) 2) Information and photos could include also radar systems and new type ship-to-ship missiles (even if they are launched from the land) 3) The categories of the warships should better belong to one of the following : Frigates , Destroyers , Submarines , Big landing ships , naval hellicopters and planes , corvettes , fast attack ships , big patrol ships and finally mine-layers. And here is a list of the most powerfull navies in priority order : (criteria are the quality and quantity and the number of warships and submamrines ,modernization programs, participation in NATO missions of any level, nuclear capabilities , naval industry infrastructure etc.) 1) France and UK ( nuclear powers) 2) Germany , Netherlands , Italy , Spain 3) Greece and Turkey 4) Portugal, Norway,Sweden and Denmark * It is not included in the list the Russian navy. Former EE countries are in a phase of upgrade and modernization programs (also because of NATO participation) but still there much to do to have modern navies.
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I start with the "Sachsen class frigates" of the German Navy (Bundesmarine) which is the Newest type of warships for the MARINE.
The Sachsen Class (F124) is Germany's Air Defence Frigate being built by ARGE F124, a consortium consisting of Blohm and Voss as the leading yard, Howaldtwerke-Deutsche Werft and Thyssen Nordseewerke. The frigates are being built under the Trilateral Frigate Agreement, signed by the Netherlands, Germany and Spain which provides cooperation in national construction of the frigates in each country. The ship’s medium and long range anti-air missiles are the Raytheon Evolved Sea Sparrow Missile (ESSM) and the Standard Missile SM2111-A which are fired from a VLS Mk41 thirty-two cell launcher. They feature stealth design and accommodate the advanced multifunction radar APAR as well as the SAMRT-L long range radar. These ships will face emerging airborne threats such as supersonic anti-ship missiles and stealth aircraft.The propulsion system combines a gas turbine (23,500 KW) with two diesel engines (7,400 KW each) (CODAG) The F124 has two Rolling Airframe Missile (RAM), Mk 31 launchers and two four-cell Harpoon missile launchers. The RAM missile from Raytheon and RAM Systems GmbH, is a fire and forget missile which provides short range defence against incoming anti-ship missiles including sea-skimming missiles The ship is fitted with two triple Mk 32 torpedo launchers and also has helicopter-borne long range lightweight torpedoes. The flight deck and hangar accommodate two NH90 helicopters. Specifications: Crew 255 Cruise Speed 18 kts Main Gun Caliber 155mm 6.1-in Endurance 21 days Height 5 m 16-ft Length 143 m 469-ft Max Range 6,500 km 3,510 nm Max Speed 30 kts Full Displacement 5,600 tons Number of Weapons 40 Power 31,500 shp Span 17.4 m 57-ft Equippment : Aircraft Type NH90 NFH 2 Derivative of F123 Brandenburg Electronic Gear APAR 4 Guns Mk 41 (Vertical Launch System (VLS) 32 cells for ESSM and SM2-IIIA) Guns Mk-31 RAM 2 Guns MONARC 1 Guns 1x 76 mm OTO-Melara Powerplant LM2500 1 Weapons ESSM 128 Weapons RGM-84D Harpoon 8 Weapons Standard SM-2 Block IIIA Detailed description : COMMAND AND CONTROL A Thales Nederland (formerly Signaal) Sewaco FD combat system using a distributed real-time database and integrated communications network includes 17 multifunction consoles and processors, two large-screen tactical displays, twelve bus interface units, a COSMOS monitor, a redundant databus and distributed processing. The system uses asynchronous transfer mode (ATM) based architectures for fast data transmission. MISSILES The ship's medium- and long-range anti-air missiles are the Raytheon Evolved Sea Sparrow Missile (ESSM) and the Standard Missile SM2111-A which are fired from a VLS Mk41 32-cell launcher. SGS Sachsen successfully completed firing trials with ESSM and SM-2 in July / August 2004. The F124 has two Rolling Airframe Missile (RAM), Mk 31 launchers and two four-cell Harpoon missile launchers. Boeing Harpoon is an autonomous all-weather anti-ship missile with range in excess of 65 nautical miles. The RAM missile from Raytheon and RAM Systems GmbH, is a fire-and-forget missile which provides short-range defence against incoming anti-ship missiles including sea-skimming missiles. GUNS The F124 is equipped with an Oto Melara 76mm gun, and two Rheinmetall 20mm guns. A KMW PzH 2000 howitzer turret with a 155mm gun has been mounted on the deck of FGS Hamburg (F220) as a demonstration of the feasibility of the system for naval applications. The concept is called MONARC and requires a flexible elastic mounting. MONARC has a range of 22nm. Live fire trials were conducted in September 2003. TORPEDOES The ship is fitted with two triple Mk 32 torpedo launchers for EurotorpMU90 lightweight torpedoes and also has helicopter-borne long range lightweight torpedoes. HELICOPTERS The flight deck and hangar accommodate two NH90 helicopters. The flight deck is rated to accommodate a 15t class helicopter such as the Merlin, for fuelling and torpedo loading. The Helicopter Handling System from MBB-Forder und Hebesysteme uses laser guided and computer controlled manipulator arms to secure the helicopter after landing. COUNTERMEASURES The ship's electronic countermeasures suite includes an EADS Systems and Defence Electronics FL1800 SII ECM system and six Sippican Hycor SuperRBOC launchers which fire chaff and flares. Electronic support measures are provided by EADS Systems and Defence Electronics Maigret CESM (Communications ESM). SENSORS The radars include two Atlas Elektronik 9600-M I/J-band muti-function ARPA radars, Thales Nederland SMART-L long-range air and surface surveillance and target indication radar, and Thales Nederland APAR Active Phased Array Radar. APAR is a multi-function radar operating at X-band which provides target search and tracking and guidance for the Standard Missile 2. The ship is equipped with a Thales Nederland Sirius IRST long-range infra-red surveillance and tracking sensor. STN Atlas MSP 500 electro-optical fire control system provides target acquisition and tracking for the main gun. The bow sonar is the STN Atlas Elektronik DSQS-24B. PROPULSION The F124 is equipped with a combined diesel and gas propulsion system, CODAG. The two operating shafts work independently. The diesel engines are installed in a non-walkable sound-proof capsule. The shafts drive two five-bladed controllable pitch propellers. In diesel mode, one of the diesel engines (type MTU 20V 1163 TB93) is operated via two main gear boxes and one cross connection gearbox. The peak performance of the diesel provides 7,400kW at 1,350rpm. The ship has an operating range of 4,000 nautical miles at a cruising speed of 18 knots in diesel mode. In gas turbine mode, the gas turbine (model GE 7 LM2500 PF/MLG) provides 23,500kW and 3,600rpm, operating two main gearboxes and the cross connection gearbox. In combined diesel and gas propulsion mode (CODAG-mode), both diesel engines and the gas turbine engine are operated. The maximum speed of the ship is 29 knots. The German Navy ordered three F124-class vessels with an option for a fourth ship. (the first two allready delivered the third in 2005) F219 Sachsen F220 Hamburg F221 Hessen And some photos from the first ship of the class , F-219 SACHSEN ![]() RAM SmartL OtoMelara APAR
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Another military porn thread!!!! Here I come.
The Charles de Gaulle class Category: Aircraft carrier 1 Unit: R91 Charles de Gaulle ![]() It is the French aircraft carrier, it's the only nuclear carrier outside the USA. Using two nuclear reactors for its propulsion. ![]() ![]() It is 261m long and 64m large, it's maximum speed is 27 knots. The Arabel ![]() The Asters ![]() ![]() It also has communication with sattelites enabled as command center. ![]() It can operates 40 planes, actually a combination of Rafales, Super Etendards and E-2 Hawkeyes. It required 1.950 people to operate it and it carry 800 more people has transport. ![]() http://www.naval-technology.com/projects/gaulle/ Quote:
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The Mistral Class
Category: Assault transport ship 2 units (1 finished soon to enter service, the other one scheduled for 2006): L9013 Mistral L9014 Tonerre ![]() She's a 199M long and 32m large ship, she is designed to transport helicopter and ground armies as a projection force. She can transport 60 armored battle tanks including Leclerc MBT. She doesn't have a lot of weapons and they are soft, it's not the purpose of the ship. She can use 16 helicopters in addition to it's transport capacities, 8 NH-90 and 8 Eurocopter Tiger. In comparison with the Charles de Gaulle ![]() http://www.netmarine.net/bat/tcd/mistral/index.htm The Mistral ![]() ![]() ![]() The Tonerre ![]()
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Anyway i did not exclude in purpose Russia and Ucraine , the presentation was just NATO oriented thats all . Russia although it has lost much of its power during the last 15 years still remains a nuclear superpower so it can not play equally in this thread. In another thread about world navies we could put in the first place USA , Russia , etc. As about Ucraine if you would like we could put it in the 4th category (according to the criteria i mentioned in my first post)
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Exarchus ! Thanks for posting this amazing info and photos!
![]() "Charles de Gaulle" is impressive!!!
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Exarchus , a question for you (if you know) , what is the main anti-missile system used in the french navy?
( i mean something in the category of Plalanx or RAM)
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The Visby Class corvette is the first vessel in the world to have fully developed stealth technology, combined with high operational versatility. The outstanding stealth properties fundamentally change the ship's survivability and improve its mission effectiveness. Visby is a flexible surface combatant, designed for a wide range of roles: anti-surface warfare (ASuW), anti-submarine warfare (ASW), mine countermeasures (MCM), patrol and much more. The stealth programme In 1986 the Swedish Defence Material Administration (FMV) initiated the development of a stealth test platform, HMS Smyge. It was launched in 1991 and used for testing stealth characteristics in all possible aspects. This formed the basis for the YS 2000 project - the Visby Class corvette. Optimal stealth technology The Visby is designed to minimize all signatures - optical and infrared signature, above water acoustic and hydroacoustic signature, underwater electrical potential and magnetic signature, pressure signature, radar cross section and actively emitted signals. The stealth advantage zone The difference in detection range between an ordinary vessel and Visby creates a considerable zone where the Visby can see but not be seen. The advantage zone. Combat management All missions are supported by CETRIS - the real-time command, control, communication, intelligence and interoperability system (C4I2). The system is modular and open, and allows for integration of future technologies, without expensive changes. Anti-surface warfare The Visby is designed for the installation of a surface-to-surface missile (SSM) system. On the Swedish version, eight SSM (RBS15 MkII) can be fully integrated into the hull and covered with smart rapid Air defence system The air defence system (ADS) is totally integrated, and it dynamically, automatically and simultaneously calculates and performs hard-kill as well as soft-kill engagements. The active part of the ADS consists of the Bofors 57 mm multi-purpose gun, with a new, stealth cupola designed as an integrated part of the hull structure. The Visby is designed for the installation of an air defence missile system (SAM), fully integrated into the aft part of the vessel. The ADS also includes the ESM and various electronic countermeasures. Hull design - attention to every detail The hull is designed on stealth principles with large flat angled surfaces. Every feature that need not necessarily be located outside the hull has been built in or concealed under specially designed hatches. The gas turbine exhausts have been concealed in hidden outlets close to the water surface at the stern of the vessel. The vessel is built of sandwich-construction carbon fibre reinforced plastic (CFRP). The material provides high strength and rigidity, low weight, good shock resistance, low radar signature and low magnetic signature. The material dramatically reduces the structural weight (typically 50% of a conventional steel hull). This results in a higher payload carrying capability, higher speed or longer range.
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Well, hard to tell as we have both old ships and new ships. The modern ones and future ones will be using Asters mostly it seems. As the next Horizon fregate will have those, the CdG have those, the La Fayette fregate have those.
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Ringil thanks for the info!
![]() I like the design of the Visby class corvettes , its one of the newest stealth type of ships. Perhaps you could give me some more info: 1) what is the displacement of the ship 2) what kind of SAM missile system are they going to use (since the size of the ship seems to me small for systems like MK41 VLS) 3) how many of them the swedish navy has ordered and when they are going to be delivered? I would like to see in the future a similar design but in the size of a frigate!! that would be great!
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The La Fayette Class
Category: Frigate 5 Units: F710 La Fayette ![]() F711 Surcouf ![]() F712 Courbet ![]() F713 Aconit ![]() F714 Guépratte ![]() http://www.naval-technology.com/projects/lafayette/ Quote:
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Exarchus this is one the most beautiful frigates i have ever seen!
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HMS Visby-delivered HMS Helsingborg-delivered HMS Härnösand-delivered HMS Nyköping HMS Karlstad HMS Uddevalla 1)The Visby class corvette is 72 meter "long" and the displacement is only 650 tons! 2) we only use swedish stuff i think. The Visby class got Saab Anti-Ship Missile RBS15.Quote:
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Portuguese Submarines:
N.R.P. DELFIM http://www.marinha.pt/Marinha/PT/Men...nrp_delfim.htm -3 Class Daphné -built in France -operational since 1968 ![]() ![]() Features: Weight: 1042t Length 57,8m Maximum Speed 13,2nós Boca 6,8m Calado 5,2m Staff: Oficiais 7 Sargentos 17 Praças 32 -2 New Submarines type: 209 PN (no pictures available)
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Portuguese Frigates:
1-Classe Vasco da Gama 3 units)N.R.P. Vasco da Gama ![]() ![]() ![]() Características Deslocamento 3200t Comprimento 115.9m Boca máxima 14,2m Calado 6.2m Velocidade Máxima: Motores Diesel 20nós Turbinas a Gás 32nós Propulsão 2 Motores Diesel MTU 8.840hp 2 Turbinas a Gás GELM 53.000hp Armamento/Equipamento Peça de artilharia de 100mm Peça de artilharia de 20mm 2x4 mísseis NATO SEA SPARROW (curto alcance de defesa anti-aérea) 2x4 mísseis HARPOON (longo alcance) 2x3 reparos de tubos lança torpedos MK46 Radar de médio alcance - DA08 Radar de curto alcance - MW08 Radar de controlo de tiro - STIR Sistema de guerra electrónica - APECS II Helicóptero Lynx Mk95 Sistema de defesa anti-míssil (CIWS VULCAN-PHALANX) Antena InmarsatB - Comunicações Satélite Radar de vigilância longo alcance - DA08 Sistema de contramedidas anti-míssil - SRBOC Sonar de médio alcance - AN/SQS 510 Guarnição/Staff Oficiais 19 Sargentos 40 Praças 102 Destacamento do Helicóptero 13 Equipa de Abordagem 6 Total 180
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PORTUGUESE CORVETES
Class Baptista de Andrade ( 3 units) ![]() Características Deslocamento 1380t Comprimento 85m Boca máxima 10,3m Calado 3,3m Pontal 6,20m Altura do mastro 22m Velocidade Máximo 22nós Propulsão 2 Motores OEW Pielstick 12 Pc2.2 V 400 Diesel 12.000hp Armamento e sensores 1 peça de 100mm Creusot-Loire 2 peças Boffors de 40mm/70 1 radar de navegação KH5000 Nucleus 1 radar de navegação Racal Decca RM 316P Guarnição Oficiais 7 Sargentos 14 Praças 51
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Triomphant Class
Category: Tactical submarines 4 units (3 operational, 1 ordered to replace the last Redoutable class submarine). S616 Le Triomphant ![]() S617 Le Téméraire ![]() S618 Le Vigilant ![]() S619 Le Terrible (2008) http://www.naval-technology.com/projects/triomphant/ ![]() Quote:
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Spain's "Alvaro de Bazan" Class. They are the first European ships to be fitted with the Aegis Weapon System.
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Not yet built, but soon to be here.
Horizon Class Category:Frigate 2 units ordered, 2 more required (Italy also ordered two of those, it's a joint project). The first 2 will replace the Suffren Class (1 of those is already decomissioned) and the last 2 will replace Cassard class. D620 Forbin D621 Chevalier Paul http://www.naval-technology.com/projects/horizon2/ Quote:
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