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Old December 23rd, 2016, 03:39 PM   #3141
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The possibility of recognstructions devalues genuine historic buildings. It suggests we can just change our minds and get them back. But when a historic building is gone, it's gone for good.

Accepting that you can never recreate the authenticity of a lost historic building should helus to view genuine old buildings as a finite resource to be treasured.
I couldn't agree less with you. The fact that someone wants to rebuild something that was lost does not devalue it--quite the contrary, it shows how much it was valued after the fact. Sometimes the loss of the original is not fully realized until later as was the case with the Berlin Stadtschloss.

The talent needed and cost associated with recreating a lost building such as the Stadtschloss makes us better appreciate the value of similar buildings that still survive. Details that were once commonplace in architecture are very expensive to recreate today and as that is better understood it makes us appreciate such places that still exist that much more.

I can certainly tell you that the rebuilding of the Frauenkirche in Dresden, the palace in Potsdam and the Barberini Palace in Postdam add immeasurably to those places where these buildings exist. People respond to that by gravitating to these places and what's wrong with that?. Your philosophy is rather dogmatic and does not account for the relationship people have with both common and treasured places.
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Old December 23rd, 2016, 05:06 PM   #3142
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In his book Last Chance to See, Douglas Adams observed:


I remembered once, in Japan, having been to see the Gold Pavilion Temple in Kyoto and being mildly surprised at quite how well it had weathered the passage of time since it was first built in the fourteenth century. I was told it hadn't weathered well at all, and had in fact been burnt to the ground twice in this century.
"So it isn't the original building?" I had asked my Japanese guide.
"But yes, of course it is," he insisted, rather surprised at my question.
"But it's burnt down?"
"Yes."
"Twice."
"Many times."
"And rebuilt."
"Of course. It is an important and historic building."
"With completely new materials."
"But of course. It was burnt down."
"So how can it be the same building?"
"It is always the same building."

I had to admit to myself that this was in fact a perfectly rational point of view, it merely started from an unexpected premise. The idea of the building, the intention of it, its design, are all immutable and are the essence of the building. The intention of the original builders is what survives. The wood of which the design is constructed decays and is replaced when necessary. To be overly concerned with the original materials, which are merely sentimental souvenirs of the past, is to fail to see the living building itself.

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It's like this incredible antique broom my family has, it is 100 years old and in that time it has only needed 6 replacement heads and 4 new handles.

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Old December 23rd, 2016, 05:36 PM   #3143
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Old December 30th, 2016, 01:06 AM   #3144
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Old December 30th, 2016, 01:15 PM   #3146
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I couldn't agree less with you. The fact that someone wants to rebuild something that was lost does not devalue it--quite the contrary, it shows how much it was valued after the fact. Sometimes the loss of the original is not fully realized until later as was the case with the Berlin Stadtschloss.

The talent needed and cost associated with recreating a lost building such as the Stadtschloss makes us better appreciate the value of similar buildings that still survive. Details that were once commonplace in architecture are very expensive to recreate today and as that is better understood it makes us appreciate such places that still exist that much more.

I can certainly tell you that the rebuilding of the Frauenkirche in Dresden, the palace in Potsdam and the Barberini Palace in Postdam add immeasurably to those places where these buildings exist. People respond to that by gravitating to these places and what's wrong with that?. Your philosophy is rather dogmatic and does not account for the relationship people have with both common and treasured places.
I could not agree more.
Just coming from a visit to Angkor Wat temple in Cambodia and i could not refrain myself from thinking of how even more beautiful this monument could be if totally restored and rebuilt.
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Old December 31st, 2016, 10:04 AM   #3147
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Old January 3rd, 2017, 03:51 AM   #3148
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A renovation where an elegant classical Hamburg building got its typical Alster-style mansarde roofs back:

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Old January 4th, 2017, 10:19 PM   #3151
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I always get a tear in my eye whenever I see how much Warsaw and its surroundings have changed over the years...
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I always get a tear in my eye whenever I see how much Warsaw and its surroundings have changed over the years...
Its nice to see a European country which is proud of its architectural heritage
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Wow, Modlin Station turned out incredible.

From the same angle as the before photo:
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Worthy of the world heritage status, Vilnius is!
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Worthy of the world heritage status, Vilnius is!
And Kaunas seeking for this status for its modernistic architecture (1919-1940), now Kaunas have Europe heritage label.
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