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Old January 12th, 2017, 04:43 PM   #3181
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Old January 12th, 2017, 09:45 PM   #3182
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Are those reconstructed doors? They don't seem to be. Nice work love Lithuanian architecture.
Unfortunately not, the old doors were rot away.
There is new reconstructed doors (using old archive documents, from late XIX and 30's) in Kaunas cathedral

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Old January 13th, 2017, 03:51 AM   #3183
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Old January 13th, 2017, 12:41 PM   #3185
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Old January 13th, 2017, 12:51 PM   #3186
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Old January 13th, 2017, 11:27 PM   #3187
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I couldn't agree less with you. The fact that someone wants to rebuild something that was lost does not devalue it--quite the contrary, it shows how much it was valued after the fact. Sometimes the loss of the original is not fully realized until later as was the case with the Berlin Stadtschloss.

The talent needed and cost associated with recreating a lost building such as the Stadtschloss makes us better appreciate the value of similar buildings that still survive. Details that were once commonplace in architecture are very expensive to recreate today and as that is better understood it makes us appreciate such places that still exist that much more.

I can certainly tell you that the rebuilding of the Frauenkirche in Dresden, the palace in Potsdam and the Barberini Palace in Postdam add immeasurably to those places where these buildings exist. People respond to that by gravitating to these places and what's wrong with that?. Your philosophy is rather dogmatic and does not account for the relationship people have with both common and treasured places.
Totally agree. The flaw in the argument that historic buildings cannot be rebuilt displays ignorance that many now historic buildings have been rebuilt in their time because of earthquakes, fire etc. but now we would never know. Of course rebuilds have a newness about them that doesn't always fit comfortably with their style but that soon fades - The rebuilt Old Town Warsaw is a good example of that. The important factor is that original design must be respected and just as important the correct materials are a must, at least those that are on view.
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Old January 15th, 2017, 06:43 AM   #3188
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Unfortunately not, the old doors were rot away.
There is new reconstructed doors (using old archive documents, from late XIX and 30's) in Kaunas cathedral

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Old January 16th, 2017, 05:25 PM   #3189
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Old January 17th, 2017, 12:44 PM   #3192
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In his book Last Chance to See, Douglas Adams observed:


I remembered once, in Japan, having been to see the Gold Pavilion Temple in Kyoto and being mildly surprised at quite how well it had weathered the passage of time since it was first built in the fourteenth century. I was told it hadn't weathered well at all, and had in fact been burnt to the ground twice in this century.
"So it isn't the original building?" I had asked my Japanese guide.
"But yes, of course it is," he insisted, rather surprised at my question.
"But it's burnt down?"
"Yes."
"Twice."
"Many times."
"And rebuilt."
"Of course. It is an important and historic building."
"With completely new materials."
"But of course. It was burnt down."
"So how can it be the same building?"
"It is always the same building."

I had to admit to myself that this was in fact a perfectly rational point of view, it merely started from an unexpected premise. The idea of the building, the intention of it, its design, are all immutable and are the essence of the building. The intention of the original builders is what survives. The wood of which the design is constructed decays and is replaced when necessary. To be overly concerned with the original materials, which are merely sentimental souvenirs of the past, is to fail to see the living building itself.

—Douglas Adams, Last Chance to See, p. 149
There is continuity there though. The building has always stood there and there is a philosophy behind a temple that is both old and new - It encourages a Zen mindset where something is and isn't at the same time. there is no history of Zen where most of these reconstructions are being built. Building a fake historic building after years of absence is very very different. I'm not saying it won't be enjoyed once it's rebuilt. I
I'm saying it has lost the qualities of authenticity and honesty.
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Old January 17th, 2017, 12:46 PM   #3193
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Now, repairing and restoring a historic building in disrepair is wonderful and this thread is very encouraging and joyous.
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Old January 17th, 2017, 06:42 PM   #3194
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Building a fake historic building after years of absence is very very different. I'm not saying it won't be enjoyed once it's rebuilt. I
I'm saying it has lost the qualities of authenticity and honesty.
"Fake historic building" is a nonsense term. Either the building was historically there or not. If it was there, its reconstruction is anything but "fake", it's the rebuilding of an original structure. The aged materials might be missing (for the most part), but that doesn't make it an unauthentic and dishonest building, that has always been a false argument. The Campanile of Venice and the Bauhaus of Dessau as well as the Würzburg Residence all are reconstructions and they all have their place. And they are authentic reproductions of the original author's ideas.
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^ I like how they also improved the street furniture a lot there with the new classically designed lampposts, well done!
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Old January 17th, 2017, 11:26 PM   #3197
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Romanesque church of st. Mary Magdalene, Čazma, Croatia

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Old January 17th, 2017, 11:32 PM   #3198
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Gothic city lodge, Senj, local name is "Kampuzij"

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The first Croatian example is very, very interesting. My only concern is that they should have shown with a (slightly) different colour the original piece of the rosette and the new added parts. Could also be the sign of ageing itself: a little black patina should have remained on the older parts

For the rest, it looks exactly like how an intervention should be carried out! P.s.: but where are they? Can you provide more information?
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I know what you mean. Although I am not personally involved in this project (I'm enthusiast) I suppose that the original fragments of the rosette will be exhibited in the museum's collection of stone monuments. Or some other appropriate place. This rosette is, I suppose facsimile reconstruction of the original.

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