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Old May 2nd, 2011, 03:38 PM   #601
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Madrid did an amazing job - I have to say, probably the BEST public space management I've seen in the world. Underground parking on EVERY square. It was sublime! Thanks pozzinhosc for reminding us!
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Old May 2nd, 2011, 05:11 PM   #602
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Chasing out old trades to renovate the buildings are re-leasing to others. Is this counted as "revitalisation"? In the process the heritage trades / activities had been chased out. And when renovation works are completed, all the trades there are tourist-centric.
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Old May 3rd, 2011, 03:09 PM   #603
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Well, it is part of the gentrification process. I understand your point; but, in cities like Madrid with a huge historic fabric, the effect of some renovations is not as pronounced as you make it seem to be. Yet, residents in "touristy" areas do benefit from some of the changes - cleaner environment, more pedestrian space, more human services (banking, personal services etc).
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Old May 7th, 2011, 06:06 AM   #604
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Not at all. I don't really like many of the modernist developments in Breslau/Wroclaw.

The renovations are mostly well done, of course. Good to see Poles taking care of the German heritage there. Which isn't the case for many rural areas outside the cities of Silesia sadly...
Excuse me? A lot has been achieved in Polish cities since the fall of Communism. Wroclaw is not a German city anymore, stop thinking of it like that. It was rebuilt by Poles. Most old Germans would most likely not recognize it. The modernist elements are completely fine. Most of it fits in quite nicely. A lot of German cities were rebuilt like this too, were they not? So how can you criticize??
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exactly. Breslau and Stettin (just for instance) - which used to be a German cities before second WW, were completly destroyed by the Germans and Russians during last months of the war. Those cities were just ruins. They almost disappeared like Warschau. Poles did enormous job to rebuild those cities - and started from 1945 cities like Breslau or Stettin have not been German cities any more. If Germans would like to see German Breslau or German Stettin they should sightsee just ruins, but instead of that they have possibility to see beautiful rebuilt by Poles Polish cities nowadays.
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Nice pics!
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Old May 9th, 2011, 02:38 AM   #607
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exactly. Breslau and Stettin (just for instance) - which used to be a German cities before second WW, were completly destroyed by the Germans and Russians during last months of the war. Those cities were just ruins. They almost disappeared like Warschau. Poles did enormous job to rebuild those cities - and started from 1945 cities like Breslau or Stettin have not been German cities any more. If Germans would like to see German Breslau or German Stettin they should sightsee just ruins, but instead of that they have possibility to see beautiful rebuilt by Poles Polish cities nowadays.
Martin, thank you for understanding.
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Old May 11th, 2011, 07:55 PM   #608
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exactly. Breslau and Stettin (just for instance) - which used to be a German cities before second WW, were completly destroyed by the Germans and Russians during last months of the war. Those cities were just ruins. They almost disappeared like Warschau. Poles did enormous job to rebuild those cities - and started from 1945 cities like Breslau or Stettin have not been German cities any more. If Germans would like to see German Breslau or German Stettin they should sightsee just ruins, but instead of that they have possibility to see beautiful rebuilt by Poles Polish cities nowadays.

Good point. What many also fail to realize is that history goes well beyond 'a few decades' before WWII. Technically speaking before WWI when Poland was not on the map and the territory was split between Germany/Russia one could look at any current Polish city and say it used to be a 'German' or 'Russian' city. But one would have to be very naive to only limit history to a few decades before WW1 to make that statement. Many people do the same when talking about post WWII borders and only view history to the extent of a few decades before WWII. It is easy to look back on more recent history and believe that this is the only history of a region because it is more fresh in the minds of the current generation. However if we look at a much more expanded history of the region from both Wroclaw and Szczecin existance we see that it was a mixture of German, Polish, and others who influenced the region that we see today. For example Wroclaw was under Polish rule for ~300 years and Szczecin for ~250 years (not including Post WWII), so why is it fair to say that this was only a German city? If we were in Szczecin around the year 1250 when it slowly changed hands to German would we not look back in time and say it was a Polish city? The example is best seen in the history of Gdansk where if one looks at the entire history of the city, the city was Polish for much longer than it ever was German, however people only reflect on the brief period of history prior to WW1/WWII and state that it was a 'German' city. That is why it is very naive to look at a very localized version of history and believe that it is the correct and only version of history, especially for a continent such as Europe whose history changed borders so often. Many of these cities have had a multicultural influence over the course of their history and to limit a city's history to a brief time which is convenient to one culture or another is simply naive.
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Old May 26th, 2011, 11:33 PM   #613
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That's a pretty horrible restoration.
A big part of original structure was destroyed during the "revitalisation".
Also an eastern orthodox style tower helmet was added which destroyed the original look of the castle. I guess that was suppose to make it look less polish/lithuanian.

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Old June 4th, 2011, 04:38 PM   #615
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Nice reconstructions, but.. what was historical purpose of this brick wall in 'Niasvizh'? Decoration only? That 'renovated' tower looks really terrible..
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Agreed - that tower is awful!
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That building from Belgrade looked much better before; now it just looks like a cheap new-build.
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Care to explain? I think it is a pretty good restauration.
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It had a wonderfully mature patina, without looking run down. Now it resembles a prop from Disneyland, with it's (presumably) uPVC windows and 'too perfect' paint job.
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one of the bracket things was missing

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