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Old September 29th, 2005, 11:14 PM   #21
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Alright, here you go. I dont want to pass these pics around too much. These are pictures of the Spiritual Centre, not the Museum.




Sorry for the quality.

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Old September 29th, 2005, 11:19 PM   #22
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Is there a strong Muslim population in Toronto? I thought that something like this would work out better in Brampton (minus the museum, I think that would get quite a bit of attention from non-muslims).
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Old September 29th, 2005, 11:43 PM   #23
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Old September 30th, 2005, 12:36 AM   #24
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Is there a strong Muslim population in Toronto? I thought that something like this would work out better in Brampton (minus the museum, I think that would get quite a bit of attention from non-muslims).
It's the Shia Imami Ismaili Community [its complex, but just as there are many groupings in Christianity, there is a similar plurality within the 1.4 B Muslims] and about 50% of their Toronto population is located within a few kilometers of this location. In fact they have several offices and other buildings in the region also, though most are not purpose built.
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Old September 30th, 2005, 12:41 AM   #25
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Should be working now.
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Old September 30th, 2005, 12:55 AM   #26
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It's nice. Although I'd prefer a more traditional structure with a bold Ismaili theme.


BTW does anyone have any shots of the beautiful existing mosques around the GTA (like Ahmadiyya? in Vaughn)???
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Old September 30th, 2005, 12:56 AM   #27
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Alright, here you go. I dont want to pass these pics around too much. These are pictures of the Spiritual Centre, not the Museum.




Sorry for the quality.
Excerpt from the Globe and Mail ...
http://www.pressdisplay.com/pressdis...id=N756VPYTJJF

"At the Don Valley Parkway and Eglinton Avenue East on Wynford Drive,
the Bata headquarters occupies the highest and most desirable part of
the property in suburban Don Mills - acreage the Aga Khan purchased
from the Batas in 2002. Parkin picked it right for his
shoe-manufacturing clients. And, 40 years later in what is a
dramatically different, pluralistic Toronto, Correa has picked it
right for his: the Ismailis, a community-in-exile that fled to Toronto
from eastern Africa. About 35,000 Ismailis now live in Toronto, with
another 50,000 spread across Canada.

Most of the 90,000-square-foot Ismaili Centre is designed to be modest
in scale with the building's social spaces, library and meeting hall
broken down like two-storey houses in a village. The Jamatkhana, or
prayer hall, is designed to rise 20 meters <that's 66 feet for our US
friends>. Its roof is to be constructed of two layers of frosted
glass with varying transparency, an expansive and poetic proposition
that, lit up, might make travelling the expressway a little more
bearable at night."
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Old September 30th, 2005, 01:00 AM   #28
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Im trying to get some renderings of the Museum now. It will be accross the Spirtual Centre (garden in the middle).
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Old September 30th, 2005, 01:17 AM   #29
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It's nice. Although I'd prefer a more traditional structure with a bold Ismaili theme.
Don't have pictures of other Muslim centres in Toronto, however, here are interesting pictures and discussions of other Ismaili Centres. You'll find that they are all quite diverse.

Burnaby [several thumbs]:
- http://archnet.org/library/sites/one...l?site_id=5387
- sample picture



London [several thumbs]:
[this one is intersting as it's along museum row - directly across the Victoria & Albert. One of it's two gardens is on the roof]
- http://archnet.org/library/sites/one...l?site_id=5388
- http://www.christopherlong.co.uk/pri.ismaili.html
- sample pictures



Lisbon:
- http://www.findarticles.com/p/articl...13/ai_99215195
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Old September 30th, 2005, 01:55 AM   #30
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Quote:
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It's nice. Although I'd prefer a more traditional structure with a bold Ismaili theme.


BTW does anyone have any shots of the beautiful existing mosques around the GTA (like Ahmadiyya? in Vaughn)???

replying to my own.....
GTA mosques.. all I could find.




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Old September 30th, 2005, 02:17 AM   #31
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Ismili Mosques are different than usual mosques.
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Old September 30th, 2005, 02:23 AM   #32
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Yeah, but I very much like the above masjids.
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Old September 30th, 2005, 05:49 PM   #33
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Masjid architecture has not been stagnant, though for large swats of time it may have seemed so. An example is the fact that the first Masjids did not have minarets. Just look at the Al-Aqsa Mosque (691) which appears in the news now and then. Though there are some people who point to North Africa, many believe the first minaret was actually a bell tower from a converted church in Damascus around 715. The folks who used to call for prayer from the roof-tops and going up and down streets figured, hey, this tower could be useful.

The fact that a building from 1300 years ago may not have had heating doesn't mean we don't have it now ... and beyond that, there is no "lock" on asthetics and creativity. The fact that a minaret existed in a building from 1000 years ago may not be as relavant today, as there isn't a need [or a want] for some guy to call for prayer from a loud speaker in Toronto.

Another example is the contemporary Mosque of the Grand National Assembly in Ankara, Turkey. Built into the side of a hill, its qibla wall [IE the direction the folks attending the mosque face during prayer] is made of glass, and opens to the garden. Quite a change from prior structures, and inspirational.

Mosque of the Grand National Assembly, Ankara, Turkey
http://www.akdn.org/agency/akaa/sixthcycle/turkey1.html
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Old May 9th, 2006, 01:53 AM   #34
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I had been made to understand that design details would be prepared in the first half of 2006, and then go back to council for review prior to the Bata building being taken down. Wondering if anyone has more recent news, IE date of the review, etcetera.

Also - I've received more recent news that there is a third premier architect assigned for the broader project. Fumihiko Maki is the architect for the Aga Khan Museum, Charles Correa is the architect for the Ismaili Centre, and there is a Lebanese architect for the public park - not sure of the name yet. Previously, one of the people posting on this thread suggested it was only one prime architect with a couple helpers - that's not the case, as this project is working like the WTC site - where different architects are given pieces to prime (Maki being one of them for the WTC project).
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Old May 9th, 2006, 03:04 AM   #35
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200 mill eh, seems like a whole lot.......
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Old May 9th, 2006, 05:13 AM   #36
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All private too ...
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Old May 9th, 2006, 07:56 AM   #37
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Man, I wish this baby had gone in downtown somewhere.
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Old July 27th, 2006, 09:31 PM   #38
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Have just learned who the third architect is ...

First we had the famous Maki of Japan (for the Museum). Then with had the famous Correa of India (Ismaili Centre). Now I've just learned that we have the famous Djurovic of Lebanon (for the public gardens). You might be wondering about Djurovic's name ... turns out his father is from Serbia.

Quite the cultural mix we have there!!

Djurovic gives an interview in this month's Interior Design:
http://www.interiordesign.net/id_article/CA6355730/id
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Old July 28th, 2006, 01:59 AM   #39
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It is a pretty exciting project.. but still wish it were going downtown and that they didn't have to demolish the old Bata Shoe headquarters. However, I am dying to see good renderings.
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Old July 28th, 2006, 03:09 AM   #40
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Considering that this is a privately funded project, i find it odd that it is taking so long for anything to get rolling. I mean, yes the project is probably quite large in scope, but besides those few grainy renderings published by the Globe, we have almost nothing to go on. No model pictures, no renderings or even sketches..?

The same goes for the aga kahn building in Ottawa- nothing circulating about this either...

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