Conflict over Freedom Tower - Page 12

The Mad Hatter!! · December 1st, 2005, 12:03 AM

i bet its going to suck,itll probably be some 20 story ugly building,no i kinda feel bad for martin......but still he knew what he was getting into from the start...

Dale · December 1st, 2005, 05:23 AM

The torch-wielding mob got to him. It'll probably even have stucco.

Roark · December 1st, 2005, 10:07 AM

Well it's better this way...the school can now tear down the useless and unproductive rear of the structure. Preservationists can't possibly rally against education!!
Clearly developers are bad, evil, and only care about money (and money is always a bad thing), schools are good, nice, and only care about educating (educating is always a good thing).
On this type of matter, comprimise or common sense doesn't play...only absolutes of good and bad.
Good job preservationists...way to send the economic development away for the sake of this...

Now the school can use money otherwise earmarked for books or teacher salaries to rehab the Miami News Building and make it useful. Instead of scholarships, the school can use the money for the annual upkeep of the place. Great foresight...way to pick your preservationist battles. Pure genius.

Dale · December 1st, 2005, 05:06 PM

I know, tear it down FOR THE CHILDREN. Modernist go weak in the knees everytime for the children. Why should OUR CHILDREN have to gaze on that ugly monstrosity ?

The Mad Hatter!! · December 1st, 2005, 10:48 PM

ok the tower was approved....

its still 62 stories,but the orientation of the tower was changed,its no longer running diagonally across the property,and its more slender....a welcomed improvement

BornInTheGrove · December 1st, 2005, 11:00 PM

Any renderings of the new design?

The Mad Hatter!! · December 1st, 2005, 11:03 PM

i wish i could've taken pictures but my camera is broken.

..well christmas is around the corner maybe the parents will buy me another....

logybogy · December 1st, 2005, 11:17 PM

The people at Terra Group are smart...

They donate the Freedom Tower to MDCC a day before the commission voted on their 62 story condo project! And it got approved!

They also rid themselves of a huge potential liability. The Freedom Tower may be pretty to some, but it is a non-economically viable building!!! It's been useless for decades. The building would have been a huge burden to the future owners of the condo tower who I believe were going to pay the maintenance for this non-economically viable building.

Good riddance. It's someone elses problem now! suckers.

archifreese · December 2nd, 2005, 01:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by logybogy

The people at Terra Group are smart...

They donate the Freedom Tower to MDCC a day before the commission voted on their 62 story condo project! And it got approved!

They also rid themselves of a huge potential liability. The Freedom Tower may be pretty to some, but it is a non-economically viable building!!! It's been useless for decades. The building would have been a huge burden to the future owners of the condo tower who I believe were going to pay the maintenance for this non-economically viable building.

Good riddance. It's someone elses problem now! suckers.

exactly (again) its the truth but its sad that that pursuaded many of the people i mean i heard a soundbite of one commisioner who went to MDC(C) and said that that was the main reason he voted to approve. seriously people i dont get it as i recall MDC(C at the time) got in a lot of trouble two or 3 years ago for trying to get the tower with its funds for other programs. now they get it for free(????) except maintenance. miami is so rural at times its unbelievable.

mileageman · December 15th, 2005, 06:22 PM

Final plans

BornInTheGrove · December 15th, 2005, 06:46 PM

nice find, although i have to admit, i really can't see what they changed

GrigorisSokratis · December 17th, 2005, 07:01 PM

I can't believe how much these guys disrespect the history of Miami!!!!

First they tore down the Everglades, now they want to disfigure the Freedom tower, what's next???? A new Condo tower in 1830 Fort Dallas???? Or an attached condo tower to Viscaya?

They have enough space in Overtown, they could revitalize that area and live alone the historic landmarks of Miami

archifreese · December 17th, 2005, 07:50 PM

^ easy guy the everglades lost all its charm and charisma in the postwar era when they took off its tower and clad the base in van der rohe style black glass (odd mix with a med. tower) so its fate was destined from the 70s on (sad though it could have been a gem if kept in tact).
the freedom tower is having an EXTENSION be demolished, the original tower is being kept fully intact and in reality this is probably the only (or the most accessible/viable) way to keep it as a landmark open to the public. i dont know if u noticed or not but its been essentially closed for over 20 years.

there were alot of good ones here that never lasted long enough or got to be realized as planned but in the end i think our current progress may far supercede our history/legacy and that, just like in sobe where it took demo to realize the 'charisma' of deco (absence is greater than presence) in downtown the projects are ushering in a new era of context conscious condo towers and urban infill projects
.
newer projects are now much more integrated into their context and deal with their site in unique (sometimes odd) ways like paramount bay, the 5th ambassador, the kobi karp project at 1121 brickell or something and the loft 2.
again i apologize for the rant but i really like this thread because the progress and history and proposals of miami r really unique - miami is a spurt and sputter growth pattern city. now we r in a major spurt of growth that hopefully wont sputter, but the eras are something you can read in the skylines and streetscapes of south florida.

heres to the boom never busting ...

nimbyhater · December 17th, 2005, 10:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GrigorisSokratis

I can't believe how much these guys disrespect the history of Miami!!!!

First they tore down the Everglades, now they want to disfigure the Freedom tower, what's next???? A new Condo tower in 1830 Fort Dallas???? Or an attached condo tower to Viscaya?

They have enough space in Overtown, they could revitalize that area and live alone the historic landmarks of Miami

cause overtown does have an ocean view... and black people are scary... think about it, duuh... (i hate that u cant get tone of voice across the internet, but use ur imagination)

Roark · December 17th, 2005, 11:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GrigorisSokratis

I can't believe how much these guys disrespect the history of Miami!!!!
First they tore down the Everglades, now they want to disfigure the Freedom tower, what's next???? A new Condo tower in 1830 Fort Dallas???? Or an attached condo tower to Viscaya?
They have enough space in Overtown, they could revitalize that area and live alone the historic landmarks of Miami

"Disfigure"? "Disrespect"? Griggy, you might want to research this topic a little more before you get you pantikas in a knot.

Roark · December 17th, 2005, 11:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by archifreese

heres to the boom never busting ...

Here here!!!

GrigorisSokratis · December 18th, 2005, 09:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nimbyhater

cause overtown does have an ocean view... and black people are scary... think about it, duuh... (i hate that u cant get tone of voice across the internet, but use ur imagination)

Hey dude what you mean with black people are scary?!?!?!? That's a horrible redneckish insult; you got a problem I cannot believe that there're still people like you doing such ignorant claims.

The Mad Hatter!! · December 18th, 2005, 09:31 PM

he was joking smart ass

logybogy · December 18th, 2005, 09:32 PM

i cannot believe that there's still people like you who are so ignorant about sarcasm.

rider_of_rohan · December 18th, 2005, 11:41 PM

Nimby isnt racist, confused.. ;-) maybe, but not racist

December 1st, 2005, 12:03 AM	#221
The Mad Hatter!! P.E.C.K CREW Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: miami Posts: 3,061 Likes (Received): 0	i bet its going to suck,itll probably be some 20 story ugly building,no i kinda feel bad for martin......but still he knew what he was getting into from the start... __________________ "Architects are pretty much high-class whores. We can turn down projects the way they can turn down some clients, but we've both got to say yes to someone if we want to stay in business"Philip Johnson Boycott the La forum-Worse forum in SSC

December 1st, 2005, 10:48 PM	#225
The Mad Hatter!! P.E.C.K CREW Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: miami Posts: 3,061 Likes (Received): 0	ok the tower was approved.... its still 62 stories,but the orientation of the tower was changed,its no longer running diagonally across the property,and its more slender....a welcomed improvement __________________ "Architects are pretty much high-class whores. We can turn down projects the way they can turn down some clients, but we've both got to say yes to someone if we want to stay in business"Philip Johnson Boycott the La forum-Worse forum in SSC

December 1st, 2005, 11:03 PM	#227
The Mad Hatter!! P.E.C.K CREW Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: miami Posts: 3,061 Likes (Received): 0	i wish i could've taken pictures but my camera is broken. ..well christmas is around the corner maybe the parents will buy me another.... __________________ "Architects are pretty much high-class whores. We can turn down projects the way they can turn down some clients, but we've both got to say yes to someone if we want to stay in business"Philip Johnson Boycott the La forum-Worse forum in SSC

December 18th, 2005, 09:31 PM	#238
The Mad Hatter!! P.E.C.K CREW Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: miami Posts: 3,061 Likes (Received): 0	he was joking smart ass __________________ "Architects are pretty much high-class whores. We can turn down projects the way they can turn down some clients, but we've both got to say yes to someone if we want to stay in business"Philip Johnson Boycott the La forum-Worse forum in SSC

December 18th, 2005, 11:41 PM	#240
rider_of_rohan Savior of Gondor Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Minnesota Posts: 1,513 Likes (Received): 0	Nimby isnt racist, confused.. ;-) maybe, but not racist __________________ Reform is affirmative, conservatism negative; conservatism goes for comfort, reform for truth. Ralph Waldo Emerson

December 1st, 2005, 05:23 AM	#222
Dale Registered User Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Orlando,FL Posts: 7,731 Likes (Received): 25	The torch-wielding mob got to him. It'll probably even have stucco.

December 1st, 2005, 10:07 AM	#223
Roark BANNED Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 3,919 Likes (Received): 0	Well it's better this way...the school can now tear down the useless and unproductive rear of the structure. Preservationists can't possibly rally against education!! Clearly developers are bad, evil, and only care about money (and money is always a bad thing), schools are good, nice, and only care about educating (educating is always a good thing). On this type of matter, comprimise or common sense doesn't play...only absolutes of good and bad. Good job preservationists...way to send the economic development away for the sake of this... Now the school can use money otherwise earmarked for books or teacher salaries to rehab the Miami News Building and make it useful. Instead of scholarships, the school can use the money for the annual upkeep of the place. Great foresight...way to pick your preservationist battles. Pure genius.

December 1st, 2005, 05:06 PM	#224
Dale Registered User Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Orlando,FL Posts: 7,731 Likes (Received): 25	I know, tear it down FOR THE CHILDREN. Modernist go weak in the knees everytime for the children. Why should OUR CHILDREN have to gaze on that ugly monstrosity ?

December 1st, 2005, 11:00 PM	#226
BornInTheGrove Registered User Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Miami Posts: 1,104 Likes (Received): 3	Any renderings of the new design?

December 1st, 2005, 11:17 PM	#228
logybogy Registered User Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 444 Likes (Received): 0	The people at Terra Group are smart... They donate the Freedom Tower to MDCC a day before the commission voted on their 62 story condo project! And it got approved! They also rid themselves of a huge potential liability. The Freedom Tower may be pretty to some, but it is a non-economically viable building!!! It's been useless for decades. The building would have been a huge burden to the future owners of the condo tower who I believe were going to pay the maintenance for this non-economically viable building. Good riddance. It's someone elses problem now! suckers.

December 15th, 2005, 06:22 PM	#230
mileageman Registered User Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 897 Likes (Received): 0	Final plans

December 15th, 2005, 06:46 PM	#231
BornInTheGrove Registered User Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Miami Posts: 1,104 Likes (Received): 3	nice find, although i have to admit, i really can't see what they changed

December 17th, 2005, 07:01 PM	#232
GrigorisSokratis Registered User Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Athens, New York Posts: 1,331 Likes (Received): 0	I can't believe how much these guys disrespect the history of Miami!!!! First they tore down the Everglades, now they want to disfigure the Freedom tower, what's next???? A new Condo tower in 1830 Fort Dallas???? Or an attached condo tower to Viscaya? They have enough space in Overtown, they could revitalize that area and live alone the historic landmarks of Miami

December 17th, 2005, 07:50 PM	#233
archifreese Registered User Join Date: May 2005 Location: Center City - Philadelphia Posts: 341 Likes (Received): 0	^ easy guy the everglades lost all its charm and charisma in the postwar era when they took off its tower and clad the base in van der rohe style black glass (odd mix with a med. tower) so its fate was destined from the 70s on (sad though it could have been a gem if kept in tact). the freedom tower is having an EXTENSION be demolished, the original tower is being kept fully intact and in reality this is probably the only (or the most accessible/viable) way to keep it as a landmark open to the public. i dont know if u noticed or not but its been essentially closed for over 20 years. there were alot of good ones here that never lasted long enough or got to be realized as planned but in the end i think our current progress may far supercede our history/legacy and that, just like in sobe where it took demo to realize the 'charisma' of deco (absence is greater than presence) in downtown the projects are ushering in a new era of context conscious condo towers and urban infill projects . newer projects are now much more integrated into their context and deal with their site in unique (sometimes odd) ways like paramount bay, the 5th ambassador, the kobi karp project at 1121 brickell or something and the loft 2. again i apologize for the rant but i really like this thread because the progress and history and proposals of miami r really unique - miami is a spurt and sputter growth pattern city. now we r in a major spurt of growth that hopefully wont sputter, but the eras are something you can read in the skylines and streetscapes of south florida. heres to the boom never busting ...

December 18th, 2005, 09:32 PM	#239
logybogy Registered User Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 444 Likes (Received): 0	i cannot believe that there's still people like you who are so ignorant about sarcasm.

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