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[Koniaczeq]

residential skyscraper "Sea Towers" in Gdynia 116 m to roof

[doctor_]

Originally Posted by intervention

That, and the country is still too poor to modernize its aging housing sector.

Yes I think it's still too poor.

[AdamT]

A time ago I've read that Warsaw has prognoses that the city will have a population of about 6 million people within circa 10 years or so, perhaps optimistic, but I think many Polish people and especially young people in Poland wants to move to Warsaw. The demand for new residential housing is high and it is not built enough in the capital, prices risk to go up with those factors. I believe that the first place to see any destruction of old commie blocks is Warsaw, after that other big cities can/will follow. Increasing capital is coming in to the country and will make it possible, but obviously not over night. It took almost 50 years to get rid of the ruling communism in Poland and the rest of the so called Soviet sphere of influence, so it will also take a good amount to ger rid of all the signs of the past ruling communism in Poland, Czech Rep, Slovakia, Hungary etc. I think patiens is much needed. It is great to see all the new projects though. They really show that much is being done to modernize. It will go faster to built new and nice housing than it took to get rid of communism. In 50 years with so far increasing investments will create countries in these regions that are impossible to think that they once were ruled by nasty communism. 50 years is a very long time, especially when you compare it to a persons expected life span. I hope I will be around in 50 years to see the status of Poland and its neighbour

[Geborgenheit]

Adam,
Firstly poles should take away those ugly dirty yellow-orange buses from streets of Warsaw. And trams are disgusting too
P.S. Our goverment chef said recently (when he met a delegation from Tirol,Austria), Latvia `ll reach the level of Austria in 15 years So you can envy us

[Blank]

Originally Posted by Ita Simpsone

Adam,
Firstly poles should take away those ugly dirty yellow-orange buses from streets of Warsaw. And trams are disgusting too

You mean those Solaris buses that Riga also buys from Poland?

Originally Posted by Ita Simpsone

P.S. Our goverment chef said recently (when he met a delegation from Tirol,Austria), Latvia `ll reach the level of Austria in 15 years

You're right, that does sound pretty hilarious.

[Geborgenheit]

Blank,
i have been in Warszawa yesterday, and what i saw in the morning were not clean-fresh-nice Solaris buses, but ugly dirty yellow-orange buses from communism time. Sorry, but it`s true

[Blank]

Well I can't speak for the Varsovians, since I'm not from Warsaw. Nevertheless, they can't get everything done at once.

http://tramwaje-warszawskie.pol.pl/

[Geborgenheit]

Blank,
i can only agree
BTW, do you know who is the mayor of Warszawa?

[Blank]

Lech Kaczynski. He's running for president now, but everyone on the Polish forum doesn't like him (especially people from Warsaw). Fortunately, it looks like he doesn't have much of a chance to win.

[AdamT]

Originally Posted by Ita Simpsone

Adam,
Firstly poles should take away those ugly dirty yellow-orange buses from streets of Warsaw. And trams are disgusting too
P.S. Our goverment chef said recently (when he met a delegation from Tirol,Austria), Latvia `ll reach the level of Austria in 15 years So you can envy us

Yes I envy latvians...
Wow, what made you so angry this morning? Anyway, as I said everything cannot change over night. But it is changing step by step. And step by step things are changing in Latvia as well right. The list of new fresh investemnts in Warsaw can be made extremly long. Maybe you haven't seen much of the new things going on. As of the collective transportation have you seen the verrrry nice new tube stations? Or any ofe the new buildings being built? it's as I said step by step. Or maybe you want a little fairy come down from heaven and shake its little magic wand and change everything right away?

[Geborgenheit]

You know , i`ve seen damaged photos of politicians on the street posters I`m pretty sure Lech was there too

[AdamT]

yeah, that's just great!

[Geborgenheit]

Adam,
you know, we changed all ugly busses in Ryga within 1 year to Solaris and Mercedes-Benz. The magical word is "Kredyt" So, only Lech(your mayor) is guilty of dirty busses, not i The subway system is very nice, i can agree

[AdamT]

Since it hasn't been poster here yet I think it is about time, eventhough most people perhaps have already seen it.

The new project that has been alot in focus at the Polish forum lately. The announcment of a 192m tall residential tower design by Polish-American architecture Daniel Libeskind to be built in Warsaw:

[Geborgenheit]

Thank you for providing the info, but the building looks very ugly. Is Liebeskind a Pole? For me he`s 100% zyd(no offence) Or is his father a German?

[AdamT]

Originally Posted by Ita Simpsone

Adam,
you know, we changed all ugly busses in Ryga within 1 year to Solaris and Mercedes-Benz. The magical word is "Kredyt" So, only Lech(your mayor) is guilty of dirty busses, not i The subway system is very nice, i can agree

Solaris Good choice
But you know Ita Simpsone, the entire population of Latvia is ~2,3 million people! Population in Warsaw only is 1,676,600 (urban agglomeration 2,400,000)! There are way more busses to replace in the Warsaw transportation system than Riga. The busses already replaced in Warsaw are more than all teh busses in Riga if not.

Besides the investment is on a much bigger scale than in Riga for instance. Investments are being made for underground, trams and busses. How is the underground system in Riga by the way?

And lets not forget about the SKM Trains (Express trains) investment in Warsaw

[AdamT]

Originally Posted by Ita Simpsone

Thank you for providing the info, but the building looks very ugly. Is Liebeskind a Pole? For me he`s 100% zyd.

Wow you are one out of the tough crowd huh? Ugly you say? It's an awesome building a vast majority say. Zyd or not born in Poland he was.

[Petr]

Originally Posted by Ita Simpsone

Blank,
i have been in Warszawa yesterday, and what i saw in the morning were not clean-fresh-nice Solaris buses, but ugly dirty yellow-orange buses from communism time. Sorry, but it`s true

Colours have nothing to do with the modernity. In fact yellow (gold - colour of Warsaw flag) is the new colour of our public transport for about 15 years and I love this colour. In the communist era buses and trams were white and red. We have yellow new MAN and Solaris buses, yellow older Neoplan buses and really old bud repainted Jelcz buses.
But I must agree quality of buses and trams in Warsaw isn't on the satisfying level.

[Petr]

Originally Posted by Ita Simpsone

Is Liebeskind a Pole? For me he`s 100% zyd(no offence) Or is his father a German?

Thinking about nationality in ethnical categories is a new idea even in Europe. Yes Libeskind is a Pole, because his parents were citizens of our Rzeczpospolita, country with multiethnical and mulicultural background. You Balts seem to have some obsession with ethnical issues.

[Geborgenheit]

Petr,
Don`t lie, please
I know how poles call other ethnical groups (i`m 50 % pole)
But i have another question, do poles call usually someone, who got drunk and losed keys from the apartment(for example), a "slavic soul" ?