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Old July 27th, 2013, 03:39 PM   #2541
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What are the current staff requirements for passenger trains?
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Old July 27th, 2013, 04:17 PM   #2542
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The Amtrak staff is this:

- Engineer (one in Acela Express, two in other services)
- Conductor
- Lead Service Attendant
- Lounge Car Attendant
- Coach Attendant
- Sleeping Car Attendant (for long-distance service)
- Chef (for long distance service)


In suburban lines, most trains have only two engineers and a conductor (up to three, in longer trains).
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Old July 27th, 2013, 05:28 PM   #2543
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I don't know about the rest of you, but it was quite telling to me how out of touch with reality most boardroom'ers are, e.g., listening to merely a snippet of those buffooning utterances made by that Chicago-based Railworld CEO.

The matter isn't so much about unions' denial of technological advancements; it's about the methods at implementing the changes, enhancements, because --face it!-- hands-on experience conducted by top brass nowadays went out of vogue, became passé, quite some time ago . . . .
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Old July 27th, 2013, 06:44 PM   #2544
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Why is there such an anti railway attitude in the USA? I am an Indian, and in India/China railways is the main mode of transport. Of course USA is a first world country but even granted that, there are first world countries with railways. So why is the USA reluctant to develop railways between cities? Is it some deeper cultural issues?
While the US has an extremely powerful central government, the US central government- like any government- has the Achilles Heel of bribery which in the US relates to election costs. Lobbying (our form of legal bribery) is a huge business here, and, the bulk of the money generated is from large corporate interests and from extremely rich individuals. These corporations work tirelessly to protect the territory where they make money as of today. Likewise, very rich individuals who believe that they know how the masses should live and think, lobby to reduce the role government plays. The oil and gas industry, the auto industry, the hospitality industry, the freight rail industry, the aviation industry, the state departments of transportation, the bus industry, and, others work tirelessly to prevent any new public interstate transportation and to kill the little we have now.

This same process on a smaller scale dominates our State and City governments.

That is just how things are here in the States.
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Old July 27th, 2013, 07:47 PM   #2545
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Anything about these Talgo Serie 8 for Chicago-Milwaukee line? Talgo website says these trainsets would operate from 2012...


http://www.talgo.com/index.php/es/serie8.php
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Old July 27th, 2013, 11:37 PM   #2546
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While the US has an extremely powerful central government, the US central government- like any government- has the Achilles Heel of bribery which in the US relates to election costs. Lobbying (our form of legal bribery) is a huge business here, and, the bulk of the money generated is from large corporate interests and from extremely rich individuals. These corporations work tirelessly to protect the territory where they make money as of today. Likewise, very rich individuals who believe that they know how the masses should live and think, lobby to reduce the role government plays. The oil and gas industry, the auto industry, the hospitality industry, the freight rail industry, the aviation industry, the state departments of transportation, the bus industry, and, others work tirelessly to prevent any new public interstate transportation and to kill the little we have now.

This same process on a smaller scale dominates our State and City governments.

That is just how things are here in the States.
Sadly what you say is true. The opposition to public transport has become harsher in the last few years. New transit projects are facing an ever increasing opposition from NIMBYs and others.
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Old July 28th, 2013, 05:39 AM   #2547
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Anything about these Talgo Serie 8 for Chicago-Milwaukee line? Talgo website says these trainsets would operate from 2012...


http://www.talgo.com/index.php/es/serie8.php
Mr. Scott Walker decided to say no to HSR. Therefore, they are no longer getting the sets.
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Old July 28th, 2013, 11:14 AM   #2548
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But these aren't high speed sets. It needs a locomotive at the other end to move itself.
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Old July 28th, 2013, 06:03 PM   #2549
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But these aren't high speed sets. It needs a locomotive at the other end to move itself.
And one Talgo Series 8 trainset has been delivered for Oregon Dept. Of Transport to operate the Amtrak Cascades. Amtrak will operate these carriages in "push-pull" scheme with a EMD F59PHi.


http://lanetoday.com/2013/07/26/new-...astic-crowd-2/
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Old July 30th, 2013, 04:58 AM   #2550
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But these aren't high speed sets. It needs a locomotive at the other end to move itself.
Depends on the definition of high-speed. They are capable of 125 mph. There was a special Seattle Train Day this last Saturday and the President and CEO of Talgo was present. The only restriction is track and the operator. Otherwise, Talgo 8s are capable of 125 mph. By definition that is high-speed. In my mind it is "higher" speed.
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Old July 30th, 2013, 06:16 AM   #2551
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But these aren't high speed sets. It needs a locomotive at the other end to move itself.
Over 100 mph is considered "high speed" by Amtrak.
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Old July 30th, 2013, 09:12 AM   #2552
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Depends on the definition of high-speed. They are capable of 125 mph. There was a special Seattle Train Day this last Saturday and the President and CEO of Talgo was present. The only restriction is track and the operator. Otherwise, Talgo 8s are capable of 125 mph. By definition that is high-speed. In my mind it is "higher" speed.
There was a special Seattle train day? Will the Talgo trainsets serve the full Cascade route, or only the Oregon section?
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Old July 30th, 2013, 09:29 AM   #2553
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There was a special Seattle train day? Will the Talgo trainsets serve the full Cascade route, or only the Oregon section?
Yes http://allaboardwashington.org/2013/...ng-st-station/

Whether they stay in Oregon or not I have no idea. I am assuming they will do Seattle-Eugene runs for sure.

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Old July 30th, 2013, 10:10 PM   #2554
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I always miss events like this! I used to ride Cascade every month but haven't done so since graduating, I'll definitely try out the Talgo when I get the chance.
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Old July 31st, 2013, 01:05 AM   #2555
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What's to travel in a Talgo trainset? Better than a Amfleet (average carriage) one?
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Old July 31st, 2013, 05:24 AM   #2556
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What's to travel in a Talgo trainset? Better than a Amfleet (average carriage) one?
Talgo has supplied Amtrak Cascades with sets since 1997 I am wanting to say. That has permitted a reduction in travel time from 4 hours to 3 hours 30 minutes between Seattle-Portland due to the tilting technology. Oregon DOT just ordered two sets and one of them was on display in Seattle.

They are quite nice to be on rather than the Amfleets, that is for sure.
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Old July 31st, 2013, 08:10 AM   #2557
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This Talgo train might be the "descendant" of John Quincy Adams or Speed Merchant trains.
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Old July 31st, 2013, 08:42 AM   #2558
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http://www.amtrak.com/ccurl/530/930/...ATK-13-081.pdf
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PUEBLO, Colo. – The new Amtrak Cities Sprinter (ACS-64) electric locomotives are
now in a comprehensive and rigorous testing program, and are being put through the paces
before entering Northeast service this fall.
Today, Amtrak President and CEO Joe Boardman, Federal Railroad Administrator
Joseph Szabo and Siemens Rail Systems President Michael Cahill traveled to the U.S
Department of Transportation (DOT) Transportation Technology Center (TTC) facility in
Pueblo, Colo., to get an update on the testing program and to observe a testing demonstration.
“These locomotives are the new workhorses of the Amtrak fleet in the Northeast and they
must meet our performance-based specifications and reliability needs so we can keep the
region’s people and economy moving,” said Boardman.
Two locomotives are at the TTC facility to undergo a series of tests, including maximum
speed runs, acceleration and braking, operating with Amtrak passenger coach cars attached and
testing the overall performance capabilities of the locomotive. Engineers are also validating the
on-board computer system and software, as well as evaluate ride quality by using instruments to
measure things such as noise and wheel vibrations.
A variety of additional tests and validation exercises are being conducted as part of the
commissioning process to ensure the locomotive is operating and performing as designed and
that it is ready to provide reliable service for Amtrak passengers.
“Safety is our number one priority,” said Szabo. “Today’s testing regime demonstrates
the extraordinary safety standards FRA requires manufacturers and railroads to meet when
building passenger rail equipment. One in seven Americans lives along the Northeast Corridor
and as demand for passenger rail service continues to grow across the country, we will continue
to ensure that rail equipment is safe, reliable and efficient.”
In addition to the robust testing regime at TTC, a third locomotive will run field tests on
the Northeast and Keystone Corridors this summer and be used for training Amtrak locomotive
engineers and mechanical crews. A fourth locomotive will be tested in a climate-controlled
chamber to determine how well it performs in extreme heat and cold temperatures.
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Old July 31st, 2013, 08:57 AM   #2559
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From a distance this looks just like a ES64F4 which had slight cosmetic surgery (maybe also a Vectron, but I haven't seen one with a dark coloured livery yet).

I also noticed the catenary height. There is way more distance between the top of the train and the wire then I'm used to see here (wire at around 7.2m instead of between 5.7m and 6.5m)
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Old July 31st, 2013, 05:14 PM   #2560
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200 kph on wooden sleepers, you don't see that often
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