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Old April 9th, 2016, 12:12 AM   #3181
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Amtrak smashes into a heavy piece of construction equipment at high speed and no one on the train dies or is seriously injured, yet Europeans still claim American trains are dangerous




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Amtrak smashes into a heavy piece of construction equipment at high speed and no one on the train dies or is seriously injured, yet Europeans still claim American trains are dangerous




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lololol guess they conveniently forgot what happened in Spain...
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Old April 9th, 2016, 06:43 AM   #3183
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lololol guess they conveniently forgot what happened in Spain...
The Amtrak 188 crash last year showed us that tank trains do not make a difference..
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Old April 9th, 2016, 06:50 AM   #3184
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My biggest fear of riding on Amtrak (which I do very often) isn't about head on crashes or derailing, both of which are extremely rare, but of hitting a piece of equipment on the tracks.
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Old April 9th, 2016, 06:54 AM   #3185
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Why are there so many rail lines/railroads in the US but not many passenger rail routes? Why can't one take a train from Buffalo to Washington DC without going through NYc?
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Why are there so many rail lines/railroads in the US but not many passenger rail routes? Why can't one take a train from Buffalo to Washington DC without going through NYc?
60 years ago, you could. You could actually go from DC to Buffalo via NYC, Scranton, Wilkes-Barre, Williamsport, or Pittsburgh -- take your pick. But we abandoned almost the entirety of our passenger rail network in the late 1960s and early 1970s. These days, you can't even go to Columbus by train.

In the early 1900s, a railroad called the Delaware, Lackawanna, and Western (or Lackawanna Route for short) built several bypasses, creating a fast direct mainline between New York and Buffalo via the Poconos. If the entire mainline were returned to passenger service, it would be capable of 110 mph traffic no problem. But, just east of Buffalo, there's a place where the main line's been encroached on and obliterated ... by an amusement park.
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The route would have been very slow compared to heading to NYC and then down the NEC to DC... Less curves = faster trains...
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Old April 9th, 2016, 03:27 PM   #3188
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60 years ago, you could. You could actually go from DC to Buffalo via NYC, Scranton, Wilkes-Barre, Williamsport, or Pittsburgh -- take your pick. But we abandoned almost the entirety of our passenger rail network in the late 1960s and early 1970s. These days, you can't even go to Columbus by train.

In the early 1900s, a railroad called the Delaware, Lackawanna, and Western (or Lackawanna Route for short) built several bypasses, creating a fast direct mainline between New York and Buffalo via the Poconos. If the entire mainline were returned to passenger service, it would be capable of 110 mph traffic no problem. But, just east of Buffalo, there's a place where the main line's been encroached on and obliterated ... by an amusement park.
Ugh, I love America sometimes....
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Old April 9th, 2016, 04:44 PM   #3189
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60 years ago, you could. You could actually go from DC to Buffalo via NYC, Scranton, Wilkes-Barre, Williamsport, or Pittsburgh -- take your pick. But we abandoned almost the entirety of our passenger rail network in the late 1960s and early 1970s. These days, you can't even go to Columbus by train.

In the early 1900s, a railroad called the Delaware, Lackawanna, and Western (or Lackawanna Route for short) built several bypasses, creating a fast direct mainline between New York and Buffalo via the Poconos. If the entire mainline were returned to passenger service, it would be capable of 110 mph traffic no problem. But, just east of Buffalo, there's a place where the main line's been encroached on and obliterated ... by an amusement park.
You must be referring to Darien Lake.

And yes, I hate that there are so many abandoned railways in my area. I feel like many of them would be of good use for public transit or for just saving the ROW. A lot of these have been removed over the years, some for highway construction (note this is from 1901, the area has expanded by a lot since):



As a bonus, this is what the downtown Buffalo rail network used to look like. 90% of this is gone.

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lololol guess they conveniently forgot what happened in Spain...
Which incident in Spain are you referring to? There have been a few that I've heard of

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My biggest fear of riding on Amtrak (which I do very often) isn't about head on crashes or derailing, both of which are extremely rare, but of hitting a piece of equipment on the tracks.
A train built correctly should be able to handle that, track equipment rarely weighs more than 20 or 30 tons, an Amtrak locomotive alone more than 100, the whole train massing many hundreds. Of course it could still cause a derailment and problems but this recent crash shows how safe amtrak trains are.

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I think they do, especially in a collision with other large objects. Being more crushable has advantages too but it depends on the situation.
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This one: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Santiag...ela_derailment
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Old April 11th, 2016, 04:52 PM   #3192
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The route would have been very slow compared to heading to NYC and then down the NEC to DC... Less curves = faster trains...
A route DC - Philly - Lehigh Valley - Scranton/Wilkes-Barre - Southern Tier - Buffalo would hit a major population center every 75 miles or so.

The biggest problem here is that the Lehigh Gorge alignment is quite curvy. Which is to be expected since it's at the bottom of a gorge, but is still something that has to be considered. That said, even if 220 mph trains don't follow that route, it's still an obvious one for 110 mph ones. One solution might be to bypass the Lehigh Gorge with a new alignment alongside the Northeast Extension.
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Old April 14th, 2016, 07:34 PM   #3193
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Old April 18th, 2016, 06:55 PM   #3194
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Railroad terminals serving New York City



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Former Pennsylvania Railroad position light signals on the Main Line near Portage, Pennsylvania, in November 1998. The “G” plate modified the interpretation of a “Stop and Proceed” signal. Historically, on PRR this meant “tonnage freight trains proceed not exceeding 15 miles per hour, expecting to find train in the block, broken rail, obstruction, or switch not properly set.” Other types of trains regarded this as strictly a “Stop and Proceed” indication. Brian Solomon

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Any chance of the line between Pittsburgh and Harrisburg will be rebuilt into a straighter alignment? Pennsylvania seems to have some of the best intercity rail service in the country...east of Harrisburg. It'd be great for the city to have a better connection with the rest of the state.
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Any chance of the line between Pittsburgh and Harrisburg will be rebuilt into a straighter alignment? Pennsylvania seems to have some of the best intercity rail service in the country...east of Harrisburg. It'd be great for the city to have a better connection with the rest of the state.
It would cost billions of $$$ , but the ridership is there.... They did release a state - wide Intercity rail plan a few years ago but not much has happened since then..
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Any chance of the line between Pittsburgh and Harrisburg will be rebuilt into a straighter alignment? Pennsylvania seems to have some of the best intercity rail service in the country...east of Harrisburg. It'd be great for the city to have a better connection with the rest of the state.
Not in the near future. The current alignment follows the Juniata River (that's "Joo-knee-ah-tah") and was excellent engineering ... in the mid-19th century. It can probably be improved to 110 mph standards, like a lot of mountain roads, but that's about it.

However, it turns out that HSR across the Ridge-and-Valley Appalachians may be easier than first expected. The reason why is because, instead of long tunnels, you just need to blast short tunnels perpendicular to those long parallel ridges. The idea I drafted out starts from Harrisburg station, crosses the Susquehanna on a new bridge at the base of Blue Mountain, curves through a tunnel under the western suburbs to the Turnpike, and follows the Turnpike out towards Tuscarora State Forest, where it turns northward, crossing the mountains in a series of short tunnels and using natural gaps where available to a long tunnel under Blue Knob before rejoining the old PRR main line just south of Latrobe.
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