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Old March 15th, 2017, 02:12 AM   #3301
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Whats up with the bells and horns that's blasting all the time on these videos.

I find it very charming (and also very american) I just don't understand the purpose.

I'm guessing that the neighbours to the tracks is very excited about it.
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Old March 15th, 2017, 07:42 AM   #3302
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Whats up with the bells and horns that's blasting all the time on these videos.

I find it very charming (and also very american) I just don't understand the purpose.

I'm guessing that the neighbours to the tracks is very excited about it.
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Under the Train Horn Rule (49 CFR Part 222), locomotive engineers must begin to sound train horns at least 15 seconds, and no more than 20 seconds, in advance of all public grade crossings.

If a train is traveling faster than 60 mph, engineers will not sound the horn until it is within ¼ mile of the crossing, even if the advance warning is less than 15 seconds.

There is a "good faith" exception for locations where engineers can’t precisely estimate their arrival at a crossing and begin to sound the horn no more than 25 seconds before arriving at the crossing.

Train horns must be sounded in a standardized pattern of 2 long, 1 short and 1 long blasts. The pattern must be repeated or prolonged until the lead locomotive or lead cab car occupies the grade crossing. The rule does not stipulate the durations of long and short blasts.

The maximum volume level for the train horn is 110 decibels which is a new requirement. The minimum sound level remains 96 decibels.

https://www.fra.dot.gov/Page/P0889
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Old March 15th, 2017, 10:44 PM   #3304
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Andover Twp. decision could get Lackawanna Cutoff station on track

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Old March 20th, 2017, 09:00 PM   #3305
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Old March 25th, 2017, 06:41 AM   #3306
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Rare: Amtrak Train via Metro-North Harlem - E. 125th Street, NY RR (P32)



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[Amtrak / Metro-North]: Here's a rare catch of a combined Amtrak Empire Service train, rerouted via Metro-North Park Avenue Main Line, heading northbound to Albany. Service operates normally via the Empire Connection to New York Penn, but due to a derailment with an Acela Express and side swipe of an NJT Train during the AM of March 24, 2017, there we detours, train cancellation and delays in and out of NY Penn.

-This Train included Amtrak Empire # 244 from a previous trip and another Empire Train. Service went down to GCT and looped. Amtrak 234/236 were also sent down, but turned at Mott Haven Wye and went back to the Empire Corridor (Not clipped)
-Amtrak ceased service in and out of Grand Central Terminal in 1991 with the opening of the Empire Connection, which rerouted service to NY Penn. Although at times trains have been spotted via Metro-North to GCT during rare occasions.

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Old March 25th, 2017, 09:23 AM   #3307
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Grand Central Terminal is underutilized without Amtrak.

Why do Metro-North trains at Grand Central arrive so much earlier for boarding versus the LIRR trains at Penn Station?

Answer: https://www.quora.com/Why-do-Metro-N...t-Penn-Station



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Old March 31st, 2017, 01:38 AM   #3308
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Old April 8th, 2017, 12:43 PM   #3309
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Amtrak Holiday Extra Train 1099 composed of 8 leased New Jersey Transit Arrow III MU's passes by MARC's Martin Airport station just north of Baltimore, MD. Despite being limited to 80mph, the Wabco horns produce a near Doppler effect.
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Old April 10th, 2017, 01:06 AM   #3310
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Whippany Railway Museum Easter Bunny Excursion with ex-New Haven, ex-Amtrak, Maine Eastern EMD FL9 488 leading and 489 trailing. That P5 horn is a wonderful break from the ubiquitous K5LA that is found on practically every piece of modern passenger equipment. Enjoy =)
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Old April 13th, 2017, 10:48 AM   #3312
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Metroliner in Pennsylvania Railroad livery before acceptance, circa 1968. All Metroliners, including this car, began revenue service with Penn Central markings.

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Old April 15th, 2017, 11:50 AM   #3313
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Amtrak's long-distance train routes could get the ax

After the deadly train accident in Philadelphia in 2015 Trump promised to rehabilitate the national railway network. Now in 2017 it seems like Trump will not keep that promise.

Fifteen long-distance Amtrak trains, including the Lake Shore Limited that serves Rochester, could be eliminated.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/trave...red/100395912/

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Budd Pioneer III, or Silverliner I. Budd Company photo.

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Old April 15th, 2017, 02:53 PM   #3315
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Honestly...I do understand the drive to cut some of these long distance routes, considering the drain they put on the profitable parts of the whole system, and the negative image they project on the American passenger rail system (even in the minds of those who use long-distance, rural services).

The only way long-distance rail services make sense is if they're relatively fast, and the only way to justify the kind of investments needed to make rail fast is with high ridership. If China can only barely make it work--with 4 times the population--then there's no way we can.

Focus Amtrak's funding and efforts on the parts of the systems that do or could work.

(Blech, agreeing with something Trump does leaves a bad taste in one's mouth.)
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Old April 15th, 2017, 05:53 PM   #3316
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afaik they are supposed to provide those services to cities that otherwise wouldn't have anything.

kind of related:

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Old April 16th, 2017, 07:00 AM   #3317
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Most of the transcontinental routes are for sightseeing.
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Old April 16th, 2017, 10:59 AM   #3318
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Indeed. And they are usually fully booked. If this means of transportation is essentially used for leisure then it is not unreasonable to consider that they must be financially self supporting. Today there are people who would like to board à transcon train but can't because it is full. In those conditions I think the price and capacity should be adapted to match the real costs. I don't buy into the social reasons of existence for long distance train travel.
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Most of the transcontinental routes are for sightseeing.
Especially when the long distance trains in America are delayed up 4 hours due to the priority of the freight trains.

No one would put up with those kind of delays unless the purpose is sightseeing.

Also the cross country-trains are slow and old fashioned. I presume there are 2 loco-engineers aboard and 1 attendant in each coach which means high costs for staff.
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Old April 16th, 2017, 12:24 PM   #3320
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afaik they are supposed to provide those services to cities that otherwise wouldn't have anything.

kind of related:

He makes a lot of [flawed] assumptions in the video, though...

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I don't buy into the social reasons of existence for long distance train travel.
Then we should acquiesce on the social reasons of operating public transit, too...since no mode of transit ever makes money (not even in HK).

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Focus Amtrak's funding and efforts on the parts of the systems that do or could work.

(Blech, agreeing with something Trump does leaves a bad taste in one's mouth.)
And there's the Prisoner's Dilemma, again...

Ridership is low because there's only one train a day; it's pointless to use for traveling between intermediate points along the lines.

Again, I don't see how the answer to this problem is to just cut service. Doing so doesn't solve the problem, it's just an excuse to fulfill a wet dream of dismantling Amtrak.

Many of these routes would work just fine (e.g. Crescent) if they were repurposed primarily as regional services akin to that on the NEC: there's plenty of demand for OD pairs between Houston, NOLA, Birmingham, Atlanta, Charlotte, DC, and so on.

Saying they need to be cut because they're slow is BS; increase funding to improve service: upgrade infrastructure, add capacity, push for reform of work rules.
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