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Old December 9th, 2008, 09:59 PM   #701
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I'm kind of surprised that Albany has the tenth busiest station.
I live there and haven't been to the station in several years, but I can tell you that a lot of people here prefer taking the train down to NY as opposed to flying or driving. Its a pretty quick trip down from here and it costs a lot less money.
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Old December 9th, 2008, 10:30 PM   #702
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Anyway I hope they're going to build electrified lines with a maximum speed at least of 150 mph (110 mph is not considered HS in Western Europe and Japan) to have 'appeal' enough 'against' the plane
Its not HS here either...
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Old December 9th, 2008, 10:35 PM   #703
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AMericans seem to be so completely stupid that they are oblivious to the problems with transportation in their own country.

On top of that you have mentally retarded conservatives that see the railroad as a symbol for socialism and planning, which to them represents unwanted government intervention in the marketplace, as if the market built the freeways and roads they love in the first place.

Republicans hate anything that doesn't burn coal or oil.

It is a sick and sad state of affairs in which we live.
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Old December 9th, 2008, 10:44 PM   #704
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I think most people enjoy to fly then rather having the option of taking the train in the states.
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Old December 9th, 2008, 10:53 PM   #705
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I think most people enjoy to fly then rather having the option of taking the train in the states.
Most people CAN'T take the train in the states. THey have no choice but to fly. And I highly doubt people enjoy flying nowadays- with delays, security hassles, higher ticket fares, poor customer service, etc., etc.
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Old December 9th, 2008, 11:22 PM   #706
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Why does the USA find it so difficult to build a 110mph rail link?

Such a will's non-existant in N America, that's why.
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Old December 9th, 2008, 11:24 PM   #707
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I'm kind of surprised that Albany has the tenth busiest station.
Me too, coz the operator's current (one-way) schedule for the stop this season barely covers too pages...
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If we could build freeways through all of the major cities in the NEC then we can add a couple tracks for dedicated high speed rail. The only thing stopping it from being done is the lack of desire. And Americans like to call themselves a "can-do" people. Yeah right.

Tunneling under the cities for dedicated lines is a possibility as is bringing back on line abandoned railways.

Keep the current alignment and make it fully grade separated but straighten out the curvy parts of the track so that trains can go 200+ MPH.
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Old December 9th, 2008, 11:25 PM   #709
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Ideas on possible future upgrades to the NEC to reduce trip times from D.C to NYC to BOS.
Pester Obama.
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Do you think that interest groups from detroit auto industry and also from the aviation industry hamper the development of train system in US?Because they want people to drive cars or fly, its one of the reasons that many public transportation systems like tram has disappeared from US cities, fine example would be LA with its huge freeway network but bad public transport.
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Old December 9th, 2008, 11:34 PM   #711
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Do you think that interest groups from detroit auto industry hamper the development of train system in US?Because they want people to drive cars, its one of the reasons that many public transportation system like tram has disappeared from US cities
Absolutely. Profit over people.
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Old December 9th, 2008, 11:43 PM   #712
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If we want a good HSR system then it needs to have its own track. No more of this "share track with freight trains" bullshit.

A lot of the corridors on the Amtrak map are indirect and not straight because there is no single line that goes directly between cities- like Indianapolis and CHicago or Los Angeles and San Francisco.

New terrain, grade separated track is the way to go.
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Old December 10th, 2008, 12:00 AM   #713
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I dislike how republicans/conservatives are always against spending money on infrastructure projects that do not involve road or airports.. I feel they hinder out progression.
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I doubt that is high on his list...the stimulus seems to be all about the usual roads/bridges and little talk on rail.... nobody gives a shit about rail here -- it is heart breaking. I thought people wanted clean air and vibrant cities -- yet so many are unwilling to give up the massive house, the SUV and the highway for a more sustainable way of living that would benefit everyone and transit/HSR would be a tool to create such new urban paradigm. Sometimes I hate free-for-all capatalism.

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If we could build freeways through all of the major cities in the NEC then we can add a couple tracks for dedicated high speed rail. The only thing stopping it from being done is the lack of desire. And Americans like to call themselves a "can-do" people. Yeah right.

Tunneling under the cities for dedicated lines is a possibility as is bringing back on line abandoned railways.

Keep the current alignment and make it fully grade separated but straighten out the curvy parts of the track so that trains can go 200+ MPH.
It can't be done, i have looked at the current NEC line and its surrounded by suburban sprawl and factories right up to the line. A new alginment is needed. I agree with you though on everything you say about the desire for conservatives to block anything that is new and innovative in terms of transportation. Of course, they like things the way they are, hence why they are called conservatives in the first place.
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Old December 10th, 2008, 12:15 AM   #716
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It can't be done, i have looked at the current NEC line and its surrounded by suburban sprawl and factories right up to the line. A new alginment is needed. I agree with you though on everything you say about the desire for conservatives to block anything that is new and innovative in terms of transportation. Of course, they like things the way they are, hence why they are called conservatives in the first place.
Maybe double deck the line or build a new terrain line.
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Old December 10th, 2008, 12:16 AM   #717
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I dislike how republicans/conservatives are always against spending money on infrastructure projects that do not involve road or airports.. I feel they hinder out progression.

It's all about Big Oil.

One area where there IS a clear difference between Republicans and Democrats is in the area of transportation.
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Old December 10th, 2008, 12:21 AM   #718
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I dislike how republicans/conservatives are always against spending money on infrastructure projects that do not involve road or airports.. I feel they hinder out progression.
Honestly, Republicans don't want to see any federal spending on infrastructure. They want to privatize and sell all of the airports and freeways in this country. Imagine I-5 being a toll road in LA or I-75 in Atlanta?
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Old December 10th, 2008, 12:27 AM   #719
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amtrak?
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Today's Wall Street Journal projects that Obama's infrastructure plan will allow 8.5% for rail transit and 27.5% for roads.

If this was Bush most of you would be screaming.
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