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Old January 21st, 2009, 04:49 AM   #801
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let's be realistic, america under any administration doesnt care about trains, just look at obama's infrastructure plans (over $30 billion for new highways, less than $10 billion for mass transit/trains)
Believe it or not, They gave Sound Transit (Seattle light rail) around 814 million dollars so it can help speed up the light rail construction. Some routes will open few years earlier than planned which is great for City of Seattle. I don't know about other cities if they received similar grants from the Feds.
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Old January 23rd, 2009, 02:27 AM   #802
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Can't somebody know what happen now in the Amtrak X2000 unit and if the turbo rohr are still in service. And may i request if somebody post the picture of the said unit (X2000 and the Turbo rohr) Thank's.
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Old January 23rd, 2009, 09:19 PM   #803
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Neither are in service anymore

Turboliners:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turboliner#RTL-III
Lasted from 1976 to 2002, 2 sets were rebuilt and ran until 2004 and all are now in a scrapyard for sale. those were some neat trains, shame isn't it.

The X2000 was a demonstration, along with some Danish IC3s, and I would assume the trains are back in Europe or whatever.

Eventually the trial selected Talgo technology, which went into service in the Northwest on the Cascades route. There was also going to be a LA-Vegas project but it got cancelled and the trains for it were assimilated into the Northwest fleet.

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Old January 28th, 2009, 09:23 PM   #804
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And the winner is ... Missouri River Runner!

The winning name was submitted by Keith Kohler of Glendale, Mo. It received 2,036 votes, or 37 percent of all votes cast.


Thank you, train fans! To celebrate 30 years of state-supported passenger rail across Missouri, as well as major service improvements in the works, MoDOT and Amtrak were pleased to sponsor a contest to give the trains a brand new name.


The “Name The Train” contest relied on train fans everywhere to pick the best name for the Service that runs between St. Louis and Kansas City. Your overwhelming response to the contest resulted in more than 8,300 name submissions and nearly 5,500 votes for the finalist names!

Missouri River Runner will appear in the spring Amtrak timetable and future marketing materials.
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Old January 29th, 2009, 07:41 AM   #805
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And the winner is ... Missouri River Runner!
Thank goodness it wasn't ShowMeMo.
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Old January 29th, 2009, 08:12 AM   #806
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show us a high-speed train Amtrack and maybe we'll give you some money. And you'll get ridership!
That's like cutting off someone's legs and telling them to run. How the hell is Amtrak supposed to do that with it's funding at next to nothing and the FRA trying desperately to kill it?


P.S., those Turboliners look cool, especially in Acela colors. Too bad Amtrak is selling them.

Here's some pics, one of the older style


One of the gorgeous rebuilt models



Here's also a tour of a mothballed unit someone broke into: http://www.uer.ca/locations/viewgal....15&galid=18627
Another: http://www.uer.ca/locations/viewgal....15&galid=18629
The unit itself: http://www.uer.ca/locations/viewgal....15&galid=18599

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Old January 29th, 2009, 12:46 PM   #807
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they do look really cool... Such a shame.

Isn't the Obama plan only to repair highways? not necessarily build new ones?
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Old January 30th, 2009, 06:28 AM   #808
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Amtrak ridership falls in 1st quarter amid struggling economy, lower fuel costs
28 January 2009

WASHINGTON (AP) - Amtrak carried fewer passengers than expected in recent months as struggling businesses cut back on travel and more Americans returned to the roads as fuel prices dropped, the national passenger railroad said Wednesday.

Amtrak carried 7.05 million passengers from October through December, the first quarter of fiscal year 2009. That's just slightly fewer riders than the same period last year, but nearly 5 percent below what the company expected for the quarter.

Revenue for the quarter was 7 percent below expectations for the government-owned corporation, which has posted six years of ridership and revenue growth.

Amtrak chief executive Joseph Boardman said lost revenue from ticket sales outpaced savings from the cheaper fuel costs.

Boardman, who testified Wednesday before a House transportation subcommittee, said the loss of anticipated ticket revenue underscores the importance of strong federal funding for Amtrak so the company will be able to meet demand when energy costs inevitably rise again. The money is needed to replace aging equipment and rebuild infrastructure.

Congress passed legislation in October that sets funding targets of $13 billion over five years for Amtrak, but lawmakers must separately approve the money each year and there's no guarantee all will come through.

Amtrak also is pushing for a share in the economic stimulus bill making its way through Congress. A House version of the bill contains about $800 million for the company.

The national passenger railroad has long been criticized for its reliance on government subsidies. But Amtrak officials note that passenger rail is subsidized throughout the world.

"Congressional interest must make this investment a national priority for the next decade or beyond if we are to remain a competitive and healthy economic engine in the world," Boardman said.

The northeast corridor between Washington and Boston, particularly the higher-speed Acela service, led Amtrak's decline in ridership and revenue for the quarter.

Acela trains, which are popular with business travelers, carried about 806,000 passengers from October through December, about 9 percent fewer trips than a year ago and 12 percent below what Amtrak expected for the quarter.

The results were mixed on short-distance "corridor" trains, with declines seen on routes that connect to the northeast corridor, such as New York to Albany. Ridership on long-distance routes was up slightly for the quarter and about 3 percent above expectations.

Amtrak carried a record 28.7 million people last year, with each of its routes seeing gains -- an 11 percent increase over the 25.8 million trips taken in fiscal year 2007.
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Old January 30th, 2009, 08:20 AM   #809
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Found the rebuilt Turboliners:


Just sitting there, collecting rust.

Bear, Delaware (if you wanna look it up).
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Old January 30th, 2009, 09:29 PM   #810
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I don't understand why such material is not used at all? Too expensive to run on fuel?
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Old February 1st, 2009, 03:28 AM   #811
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Amtrak should take the advantage of making a long-term investment, now that they got a boost from Congress, to upgrade their fleet of locomotives and rail network. So my suggestions are a little cutting-edge for many people, but at least these will mostly be cheaper than maglev -

1. Railroad superelevation / tilting trainsets / heavy-grade rail / concrete ties.

2. Electrification of corridors.

3. Plug-in regenerative hybrid locomotives / plug-in all-battery locomotives

4. Supercapacitors for hybrid systems

5. Superconducting energy storage.

6. Linear induction motors.

7. Turbine locomotives.

Some of these will be extremely expensive at first, but they are will end up saving money (read : fuel costs, operating costs) in the long term.
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Old February 1st, 2009, 04:17 AM   #812
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All but the top two are useless and simply don't work when simpler, cheaper, and stupider technologies are available. As engineers say, Keep it Simple and Stupid.

We don't need plug in hybrid locomotives when they can just electrify the lines.

We don't need supercapacitors or superconductors when electric rail is 100X cheaper.

Linear induction motors don't work for inter-city purposes.

Running a train like a jet aircraft is hideously expensive.

I'm surprised you aren't proposing nuclear reactors on the trains.
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Old February 1st, 2009, 04:49 AM   #813
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Amtrak should take the advantage of making a long-term investment, now that they got a boost from Congress, to upgrade their fleet of locomotives and rail network. So my suggestions are a little cutting-edge for many people, but at least these will mostly be cheaper than maglev -

1. Railroad superelevation / tilting trainsets / heavy-grade rail / concrete ties.

2. Electrification of corridors.

3. Plug-in regenerative hybrid locomotives / plug-in all-battery locomotives

4. Supercapacitors for hybrid systems

5. Superconducting energy storage.

6. Linear induction motors.

7. Turbine locomotives.

Some of these will be extremely expensive at first, but they are will end up saving money (read : fuel costs, operating costs) in the long term.
Um, the $1 billion that Amtrak got isn't going to make a visible dent in item #1, much less the rest of your list.

FYI, locomotives are already hybrid, and have been for a long time. They use their diesel engines to generate electricity which runs the electric traction motors.

The #1 thing Amtrak needs to do is buy new rolling stock. They can't run several routes daily because of a lack of equipement, and they can't add cars to existing trains because of lack of equipment. Many routes, such as the Empire Builder, Cardinal, and Lake Shore Limited, pretty much have their sleeping cars sold out all the time. Even Amtrak's inept management would add cars to those routes, but they can't because of equipment shortages.
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Old February 1st, 2009, 06:12 AM   #814
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Current Amtrak organization allows the company to handle projects of no more than $200mios. Overseing multibillions $ projects like high speed rail or electrification of some corridors would be a serious challenge for Amtrak without significant changes in the organization. I don't think that even the Obama administration is ready for that move and give more power to a public company. The would call that socialism.
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Old February 1st, 2009, 11:11 AM   #815
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Well, what if the Dept. of Transportation did the electrification on their own as a public infrastructure project?
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Old February 1st, 2009, 03:50 PM   #816
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FYI, locomotives are already hybrid, and have been for a long time. They use their diesel engines to generate electricity which runs the electric traction motors.
Conventional diesel-electric locomotives are not counted as hybrid locomotives, since they cannot be driven on battery power alone.
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Old February 2nd, 2009, 05:58 PM   #817
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I have a degree in engineering, but I have never heard of such a saying as keeping things simple and stupid. Nevertheless it is good advice, and all of the things on my list satisfy that.

Also note that I am quite aware of what 'hybrid' means with respect to extant technology. See the wording in my original post.

Electrification is very expensive compared to the rest of the items on my list. Many people are clueless about the other systems.

A good perspective is to parallel the development of locomotives with that of cars and buses. Exception #1: turbine engines have never been tried on cars, but they are quite successful on locomotives. Exception #2: Superconductive energy storage hasn't been tried for any moving object, but it looks really promising due to its conversion efficiency and compactness.

Plug-in all-battery cars exist, and they are very feasible as a mode of transport. If you put batteries into the geometry of a locomotive, as in cramming it throughout the volume, the thing will travel much farther than is otherwise possible on cars. Why? Because the characteristic length allows much greater efficiency. Even lead-acid batteries will do a fine job.

Minor improvements done to the track will only serve for maintaining a state of good repair. It is time to go beyond that, and think outside of the box.
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Old February 2nd, 2009, 06:00 PM   #818
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We don't need supercapacitors or superconductors when electric rail is 100X cheaper.
Proof? Supercapacitors are already being used on buses in South Korea.
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Old February 3rd, 2009, 06:26 AM   #819
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yea I agree keeping things simple and stupid is not the way. We want the most efficient routes.
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Old February 3rd, 2009, 03:09 PM   #820
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Can anybody provide the % of electrified lines compared to non electrified lines in the US? Also the % of passenger lines compare to freight lines? Or at least an approximation?
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