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Old April 17th, 2009, 01:26 AM   #981
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240 km/h seems kinda slow for HSR....
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Old April 17th, 2009, 09:55 AM   #982
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The article states 137mph for Germany, China and Japan (all use at least 186mph) and makes no mention of France.

So... not sure how much you want to believe the 150mph claim!
186 is a very high speed. that's 300km/h.


That's about the highest speed that Japan and Germany operates at. China is the only one that operate their trains at a faster 350km/h, and that's on certain dedicated lines only.

High-speed trains that runs on conventional lines in China tops out at 250, which is the speed that was mentioned in the article.


But one thing with trains in North America is that they need to be cheaper to compete with planes and busses. I don't know about the States, but in Canada, long distance railroad travel is ridiculously expensive.


However, this articule is misleading in that the average 120km/h of the US train services is an average, which include accelerating, deceleration and possibily station stops. To achieve and average of 120km/h, the train would most likely have to have a top speed of at least 200km/h.
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Old April 18th, 2009, 01:41 AM   #983
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I'm sorry, but I fail to see why travelling by train should be cheaper than by plane or bus. Taking the bus should take a lot longer than by train and would, just like with planes, have less comfort than a train. For those reasons, train tickets can be more expensive (there's some sort of limit though of course).

Decided to do some calculations about the potential "competition" between planes and trains from the East coast to the West coast:
Total distance: roughly 4150km
Speed of a decent high speed train: 300km/h
Speed of a plane: 900km/h (depends a lot on the wind)
Total travel time train: 13.8 hours
Total travel time plane: 4.6 hours

Both planes and trains need to accelerate and decelerate, so I excluded that information... Considering the difference in hours, I'm pretty sure not that many people will take the train if they don't want to travel for a long time.

About the averages: 186mph as average isn't possible due to acceleration and deceleration indeed. That number is just the maximum operable speed that's used.

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Old April 18th, 2009, 06:10 AM   #984
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The reason why they are competitive are because of their medium distance advantage; here, their convenience is unsurpassed.

For example, San Francisco to LA would be faster on a train than an airplane, when one factors in the time spent at the airport versus a train station.
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Old April 18th, 2009, 06:15 AM   #985
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Obama has outlined recent plans to upgrade some regular tracks from "70 miles per hour to over 100 miles per hour."

I guess he's referring to the Wolverine line in Michigan. They were planning 110 mph service since 2005, but they're pretty much stalled at 95 mph right now.

I'm pretty sure other lines run on typical 79-mph track are included in this. I'm thinking the Capitol Corridor and Cascades services should increase their speed too.
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Old April 18th, 2009, 04:25 PM   #986
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if someone need to see Obama's plan here

http://www.fra.dot.gov/downloads/RRD...ategicplan.pdf

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Old April 19th, 2009, 07:06 PM   #987
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