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Old April 20th, 2009, 09:45 PM   #1141
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Old April 20th, 2009, 09:47 PM   #1142
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Old April 20th, 2009, 09:48 PM   #1143
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Old April 20th, 2009, 09:51 PM   #1144
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Old April 20th, 2009, 09:53 PM   #1145
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Old April 21st, 2009, 12:36 AM   #1146
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Great pics, Thor.

It seems that sleepers are one of the great advantages for train travel.
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Old April 21st, 2009, 02:24 AM   #1147
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A little out of this topic but I have heared that in Germany there is allowed track speed + 10% for recovery. It means if track speed is 300 then train is allowed 330 in case it's out of schedule.
I don't know about Germany. But speed limiter on trains should in theory force brake once the train exceeds the limited speed of the track section for a set period of time. This period is usually very short.

Speeding on the railroad should be a seriouse offense, this isn't your highway where +/- 20% isn't a big deal. The shockwave from two meeting trains each travelling at 330km/h could potentially flip them over.

From my knowladge, railway speed limits are usually set at the maxium that the trains can safely travel at all times.

If you have some source to this +10% claim, please let me know. I'd be interested to see it.
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Old April 21st, 2009, 04:29 AM   #1148
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Great pics, Thor.

It seems that sleepers are one of the great advantages for train travel.
This was just what Amtrak calls a "Roomette" too, it wasn't one of the deluxe rooms that have their own bathroom/shower. I can't imagine what that's like.

I didn't get a chance to take any photos of our room, as by that time the battery in my camera had died. Here are a few from the internet:





This one is actually one of the larger rooms, but this is essentially what a roomette looks like in it's sleeping configuration:


It's actually pretty roomy, despite its small dimensions.
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Old April 21st, 2009, 05:11 AM   #1149
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The only reason trains can't complete with planes over large distances in the US is because the infrastructure in the country is around 40 years out of date.

If the governmen't wasn't so short sighted and corrupt during the post world war two era and the 1950s and invested in rail transit like the countries that did, then Americans will be able to see the effeciencies in a well run rail transit network.

Your right though, over some distances air travel have the edge. But that distance should be further than the horizontal cross from the US east cost to the west.

A good example is China.

If a true Intercity/HSR network existed in the USA you could easily get:

Jacksonville-WestPalmBeach-Miami HSR (530km/330miles) services packed full ... and anyone wishing to travel to Washington state , California , Chicago or NYC would still be travelling by airplane ...


... but since you dont have HSR people get on a bus or take a smaller plane for the local small hop (100 miles) to their towns regional airport.

The number of total passengers in transit could be MUCH GREATER than today ...
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186 is a very high speed. that's 300km/h.


That's about the highest speed that Japan and Germany operates at. China is the only one that operate their trains at a faster 350km/h, and that's on certain dedicated lines only.

High-speed trains that runs on conventional lines in China tops out at 250, which is the speed that was mentioned in the article.


But one thing with trains in North America is that they need to be cheaper to compete with planes and busses. I don't know about the States, but in Canada, long distance railroad travel is ridiculously expensive.


However, this articule is misleading in that the average 120km/h of the US train services is an average, which include accelerating, deceleration and possibily station stops. To achieve and average of 120km/h, the train would most likely have to have a top speed of at least 200km/h.


Don't forget thwt we are talking about the "big" USA .. .120km/h average just means that you hop on a train in chicago and then proceed 1000 miles without ever stopping or decelerating ...
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186 is a very high speed. that's 300km/h.

That's about the highest speed that Japan and Germany operates at. China is the only one that operate their trains at a faster 350km/h, and that's on certain dedicated lines only.
In France, both the high speed rail line between Paris and Strasbourg and the high speed rail line between Lyon and Marseille are operated at a max speed of 350 km/h during commercial service.
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This is actually a misconception. We tend to over-estimate distances in the US.

Actually, if you take the Eastern half of the US, you'll realize that distances between major cities are very similar to the distances between major cities in Western Europe.

The distance between Chicago and Washington, DC is the same as between Madrid and Marseille. The distance between Houston and Dallas is the same as between Frankfurt and Munich.

The only difference is that the countryside is empty between US major cities whereas there are tons of smaller towns between European major cities. However, this is irrelevant regarding HSR as trains never stop in smaller towns anyway. They directly connect major cities between themselves. As a matter of fact, the US wouldn't really need a more extensive HSR network than what already exist in Western Europe.
An easy rule of thumb can be made ... if there's a freeway/highway .. .then theres room for a neighbouring HSR route.

"very HSR" (anything above 200mph/ 320km/h) should be used when connecting any two cities with more than 1 million people at distances between 100/400 miles ... this of course excluding those super-dense corridors like the NEC where the frequency of stopping service swould greatly overrun the faster trains.
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