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Old June 28th, 2010, 03:30 PM   #1781
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It only needs to be advantageous for a certain proportion of people - for those who still need or prefer to use the road, the advantage will be felt in lowered congestion.

Of course you need to make sure that the minimum proportion of people who would use such a system can be met, you can't just stick a line from A to B and assume that it will work.
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Old June 28th, 2010, 07:57 PM   #1782
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It only needs to be advantageous for a certain proportion of people - for those who still need or prefer to use the road, the advantage will be felt in lowered congestion.

Of course you need to make sure that the minimum proportion of people who would use such a system can be met, you can't just stick a line from A to B and assume that it will work.
That is precisely the point. A good regional rail project is one that attracts users in numbers enough to pay its operational costs (I'm not assuming the initial capital investment on tracks and ROW, but I think any rail system needs to pay at least for vehicles (train sets), fuel, trackage and station use fees and salaries of people involved in operation). Then, everyone else benefits for lower congestion (as long as the government keep investing in rods and freeways too).

However, to the extent of my knowledge most rail projects in US that are not urban tramways or HSR rely on existing ROW even if tracks are no longer there. So it seems like an opportunistic approach: "see, there is an abandoned track running there, let's invest millions, improve it, rectify some corners, rebuild stations and run regional trains". Nothing totally wrong with that, but sometimes ridership can be abysmal (and thus operating losses) because there is no demand along a route that might have been attractive in 1940.
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Old June 28th, 2010, 08:05 PM   #1783
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http://hamptonroads.com/2010/06/trai...nd-three-years

A second Hampton Roads-Richmond,VA Amtrak route is a go:

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Wouldn't it be great if the rails from Richmond to DC were upgraded fully, perhaps electrified, and we had something like tilting Talgo sets operating straight through on these lines? If it was faster than driving I imagine many people would spring for it.
Electrifaction down to Richmond and beyond is planned by 2030 , The Acela and Regional sets tilt and the new Fleets will.
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Old June 28th, 2010, 08:16 PM   #1784
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New Mexico Rail Runner heavy commuter rail system.
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Old June 28th, 2010, 10:31 PM   #1785
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Woah that thing is a BEAST

I love American trains
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Old June 30th, 2010, 12:17 AM   #1786
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Awesome livery!
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Old July 1st, 2010, 01:45 AM   #1787
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When the doors close, it makes the sound of the road runner. I rode it during a holiday run up to Santa Fe. The 5 car set was standing room only. They estimated 1300 passengers on the train. It works well for the holidays that is for sure.
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Old July 1st, 2010, 02:10 AM   #1788
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What are the specifications of this train set? It "looks" overpowered by the size of the main engine, even taking into consideration american train cars are mammoths designed to withstand collisions.

Standing-room only? Why?
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Old July 1st, 2010, 03:02 AM   #1789
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What are the specifications of this train set? It "looks" overpowered by the size of the main engine, even taking into consideration american train cars are mammoths designed to withstand collisions.

Standing-room only? Why?
The locomotives used are Motive Power MP36PH-3Cs. Specs:


Passenger cars include nine Bombardier BiLevel Coaches and thirteen Bombardier BiLevel Cab cars.
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Are there in USA lines with one or more trains per hour all day and every day, exepted New York or Chicago suburban trains?
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Old July 2nd, 2010, 02:24 AM   #1792
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What are the specifications of this train set? It "looks" overpowered by the size of the main engine, even taking into consideration american train cars are mammoths designed to withstand collisions.

Standing-room only? Why?
With only a couple cars it is definitely orverkill. However they often operate with 5-12 coaches with other operators (here in Minneapolis 5 is standard, Toronto typically does 10 I believe), and in such a configuration 4,000 hp locomotive makes some sense.
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Are there in USA lines with one or more trains per hour all day and every day, exepted New York or Chicago suburban trains?
Every System in the Northeast , Cali and Northwest to a certain extent has that. Most have it every 30-60 mins bi directional...
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Old July 3rd, 2010, 01:46 AM   #1794
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Every System in the Northeast , Cali and Northwest to a certain extent has that. Most have it every 30-60 mins bi directional...
I can already tell you Amtrak Cacades only runs 4 trains between Seattle and Portland. Sounder is limited to commuter rail periods only.
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Old July 5th, 2010, 11:58 PM   #1795
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I can already tell you Amtrak Cacades only runs 4 trains between Seattle and Portland. Sounder is limited to commuter rail periods only.
I'm sure that will change later this decade....

Oregon won’t apply for latest high-speed rail grant


http://djcoregon.com/news/2010/06/30...ed-rail-grant/

150th anniversary of first Market St. rail line

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Old July 14th, 2010, 10:19 PM   #1796
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A Pan-American railroad?

Recently, I was checking on some other items and stumbled on this:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FERISTSA
An article on a group planning to develop a North American-standards standard-gauge railroad extending from Mexico (and thus the rest of the North American railroad network) to at least the Canal railroad in Panama (also recently rebuilt to North American standards), with the potential to further extend it to connect with other railroads in South America.

This article was mainly written about two years ago.

Is this just another 'pie-in-the-sky' musing or is there something of substance behind this proposal?

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Old July 14th, 2010, 11:03 PM   #1797
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I don't see any short-term feasibility for the Central America link, let alone South America. There is no rail connections between Colombia, Venezuela, Equator or Brazil; and no road connection between Colombia and Panama.

They should, first, close the damn "Damien Gap" in southern Panama
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Old July 16th, 2010, 12:23 PM   #1798
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Unless it was some super speed rail line e.g. 400Mph+ then I don't see it happening. Even TGV is too slow for that distance...
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Old July 16th, 2010, 03:10 PM   #1799
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Unless it was some super speed rail line e.g. 400Mph+ then I don't see it happening. Even TGV is too slow for that distance...
From what I can tell it's primarily meant to be a freight route, like most railways in North America, hence the connection to Panama. So speed isn't as big an issue as in a passenger line.
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I can see this being a tremendously important international trade route - *IF* there was an economical way to continue it into the population, agricultural and industrial centers in the South American interior. Right now, most of South America's railroads are incompatible with those of North America, the main difference being track gauge.

One technological innovation that will make such a project much more feasible now compared with 100 years ago is the concrete crosstie - wood ties just don't last in tropical rain-forest climates (insects, rot and so forth). I believe that that is why the newly rebuilt Panama Canal Railroad uses 100% concrete ties.

Time will tell.

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