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Old August 14th, 2010, 01:21 AM   #1861
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I don't think taxes directed specifically on car fuel are fair. If a country wants to tax oil per unit of volume, or coal, that is fine. But I fiercely oppose (wherever I might be living) this kind of "targeting exercise" of looking after motorists as cash cows for other projects that do not act on their driving interests.

If gas and diesel are going to be taxed, then so should be all oil fuels, including those used for electricity and those used in farms and those used in airplanes and those used in trains.
There are various taxs of that nature aimed at certain luxury and/or target items to better society, tobacco, and alcohol are good examples.
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There are various taxs of that nature aimed at certain luxury and/or target items to better society, tobacco, and alcohol are good examples.
Yes, and they are called "sin tax" or "luxury levy". Personal (auto) mobility is neither a luxury, nor a "sin" (e.g., a product/service whose use is inherently detrimental although legal).

Cars (and other means of transportation) are a necessity for our consumption-based society that values the individual as the ultimate subject of rights and who is the uttermost agent pursuing its interests... Maybe in North Kore they don't give a damn to the individual.

Jet-skis or yachts might be luxuries. Sport cars might be. Regular cars surely are not.
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Yes, and they are called "sin tax" or "luxury levy". Personal (auto) mobility is neither a luxury, nor a "sin" (e.g., a product/service whose use is inherently detrimental although legal).

Cars (and other means of transportation) are a necessity for our consumption-based society that values the individual as the ultimate subject of rights and who is the uttermost agent pursuing its interests... Maybe in North Kore they don't give a damn to the individual.

Jet-skis or yachts might be luxuries. Sport cars might be. Regular cars surely are not.
Well some people think that the car is a necessary "SIN" since you can travel without the COMFORT of individual transportation.
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Well some people think that the car is a necessary "SIN" since you can travel without the COMFORT of individual transportation.
You can't. It is impossible to design a widespread (not talking about a neighborhood-wide, not even a inner-city wide) public transportation system that, without having its costs completely explode:

(1) takes a person from point A to point B without any need to wait for a tram, bus or metro

(2) provides full weather shelter from house's garage to workplace garage or likewise

(3) has the flexibility to accommodate shopping or large items with minimal inconvenience of loading/unloading, and to accommodate out-of-the-spur trips with virtually no advance planning.

(4) is available 24/365

(5) is self-driven, thus independent of evil union demands or political play show

(6) has any remote capillarity as a road network (in the broad sense)

I'm not saying public transport shouldn't exist, but in the Western First World, it has had a secondary role in transportation of people since the mid-70's at least (earlier in US), and ignoring this fact-of-life has cost taxpayers unsurmountable tax burden in the local and regional level.

There are nice niches opportunities for public transport. Air, for instance, is a perfect example: there is no prospect of private jets being popularized anytime soon.

High-speed rail has it place too: it is an efficient way to move people from dense area A to dense area B if such areas are a given distance apart.

You just can't pretend that building nice and needed HSR will divert people from roads in large crowds. Cars were adopted because they provide optimal individual solutions for ever-increasing transportation demands of generations that are become less and less patient and demand things "NOW, BECAUSE I WANT IT NOW" instead of later.

HSR will, however, be a much-needed and welcomed (by the public) competitor with short-haul flight. Given the figures of US domestic air travel, there is surely potential to be explored commercially in that direction.
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You can't. It is impossible to design a widespread (not talking about a neighborhood-wide, not even a inner-city wide) public transportation system that, without having its costs completely explode:

(1) takes a person from point A to point B without any need to wait for a tram, bus or metro
(2) provides full weather shelter from house's garage to workplace garage or likewise
(3) has the flexibility to accommodate shopping or large items with minimal inconvenience of loading/unloading, and to accommodate out-of-the-spur trips with virtually no advance planning.
(4) is available 24/365
(5) is self-driven, thus independent of evil union demands or political play show
(6) has any remote capillarity as a road network (in the broad sense)
If you developed in stages it really does not become a big burden.

1.Instant realization of personal needs are considered personal luxury.
2.This is also a personal luxury an umbrella is cheaper.
3.This is also a personal luxury
4.it can be achieved if there is demand but beyond that is a personal luxury
5.Condemning unions evil is generalization.
6.If there is a demand it can be achieved but beyond it is the same with 1,2,3.
What you take for granted is not always a necessity. There are various other modes of transportation and/or logistic systems that can be developed to help at a price but if it goes beyond to comfort your individual needs then it is considered an item of personal luxury.
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(5) is self-driven, thus independent of evil union demands or political play show
That is is self driven is actually one of the biggest disadvantages of the car.
Where I live anyway the number of people that don't make it to their destination because of a problem with their car is vastly higher than the number of people not getting to their destination because of union action...
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You just can't pretend that building nice and needed HSR will divert people from roads in large crowds. Cars were adopted because they provide optimal individual solutions for ever-increasing transportation demands of generations that are become less and less patient and demand things "NOW, BECAUSE I WANT IT NOW" instead of later.
You just wrote why a HSR can get passangers from roads. Because at certain distances it can be much faster than anything else. As you wrote it works only if the traffic relation is dense enough to fill a train at least once an hour whole day and twice an hour in peak hours. It is how Acela works in the States and some lines in Europe (e.g. Frankfurt-Köln, München-Nürnberg, Milano-Roma, Marseilles-Paris).
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You can't. It is impossible to design a widespread (not talking about a neighborhood-wide, not even a inner-city wide) public transportation system that, without having its costs completely explode:

(1) takes a person from point A to point B without any need to wait for a tram, bus or metro

(2) provides full weather shelter from house's garage to workplace garage or likewise

(3) has the flexibility to accommodate shopping or large items with minimal inconvenience of loading/unloading, and to accommodate out-of-the-spur trips with virtually no advance planning.

(4) is available 24/365

(5) is self-driven, thus independent of evil union demands or political play show

(6) has any remote capillarity as a road network (in the broad sense)

I'm not saying public transport shouldn't exist, but in the Western First World, it has had a secondary role in transportation of people since the mid-70's at least (earlier in US), and ignoring this fact-of-life has cost taxpayers unsurmountable tax burden in the local and regional level.

There are nice niches opportunities for public transport. Air, for instance, is a perfect example: there is no prospect of private jets being popularized anytime soon.

High-speed rail has it place too: it is an efficient way to move people from dense area A to dense area B if such areas are a given distance apart.

You just can't pretend that building nice and needed HSR will divert people from roads in large crowds. Cars were adopted because they provide optimal individual solutions for ever-increasing transportation demands of generations that are become less and less patient and demand things "NOW, BECAUSE I WANT IT NOW" instead of later.

HSR will, however, be a much-needed and welcomed (by the public) competitor with short-haul flight. Given the figures of US domestic air travel, there is surely potential to be explored commercially in that direction.
Your views are so off its funny. Ppl around here adjust to PT. Rail is very supported in the Northeast. Please stay in Europe don't come back to the states. NJ , SE PA , CT , RI , MA , NYC , DC all have a 24/7 Bus lines. The reason why this country is so fat , is because there very lazy.....using cars....going to fast food places and your views aren't helping that. Buses run every 10-30 mins , Urban Rail runs every 2-10 mins depending on the network.....Private buses fill the 10-30 void the PT leaves. Unions are evil in every dept , Airliners , Freight , Police , School etc....
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You just wrote why a HSR can get passangers from roads. Because at certain distances it can be much faster than anything else. As you wrote it works only if the traffic relation is dense enough to fill a train at least once an hour whole day and twice an hour in peak hours. It is how Acela works in the States and some lines in Europe (e.g. Frankfurt-Köln, München-Nürnberg, Milano-Roma, Marseilles-Paris).
Exactly. There is a narrow, yet well-defined area where high-speed rail, demanding trips to/from main stations can take a chunk of cars from the road.

In Italy, however, not many people used to drive between Milano and Roma. It is a 5h30 driving trip under the best circumstances (free-flowing traffic, attainable outside peak times and summer). But on some sectors, like Firenze-Bologna (too close, but separated by a mountain ridge) or Roma-Napoli (not that close, but with poor regular rail or air connections), the HSR took a noticeable if not big part of car traffic.
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My Northeastern 2040 plan - 85% is already planned , 30% is UC already. 40% will be Electrified.
The Italic stations are planned or Proposed stations.
True High Speed Rail or Regional Trunk Corridors

1. DC - Baltimore - Wilmington - Philly - Newark - New York City - Stamford - New Haven - Providence - Boston

2. Boston - Springfield - Albany - Syracuse - Rochester - Buffalo - Hamilton - Toronto

3. NYC - Albany - Montreal

4. Philly - Lancaster - Harrisburg - Pittsburgh


Intercity / Major Regional Rail lines & Planned Regional Rail lines

Hoboken - Newark (board street) - Dover - Stroudsburg - Scranton (2017)

Hoboken - Newark Penn - Bound Brook - Philpsburg - Allentown - Kutztown - Reading - Lebanon - Harrisburg (2027?)

Hoboken - Newark Penn - Bridgewater - Hillsborough - Belle Mead - Hopewell - West Trenton - Philly (2015)

Hoboken - Mountain View - Wayne - Pequannock - Pompton Lakes Junction - Wanaque

Hoboken - Hackettstown - Washington - Philpsburg (2020)

Hoboken - Hawthorne - Wyckoff - Oakland - Butler - Newfoundland - Stockholm - Ogdensville - Sparta

Hoboken - Harrimen - Monroe - Chester - Goshen - Middletown

Hoboken - Spring Valley - Airmont - Suffern

Hoboken - Ridgefield Park - Teaneck - Bergenfield - Dumont - Haworth - Norwood - Tappan - Valley Cottage - Congers - West Haverstraw

Dover,NJ - Morris Plains - Whippany - East Hanover - Roseland

South Norwalk,CT - Danbury - North Danbury - Brookfield - New Milford

New York Penn Station - Newark Penn - Red Bank - Farmingdale JCT - Lakewood - Jackson - Toms River - Lakehurst / Manchester

New York Penn Station - Newark Penn Station - Monmouth JCT - Jamesburg - Englishtown - Manalapan - Freehold Centre - Farmingdale JCT

Philly - Norristown - Phoenixville - Royersford - Limerick - Pottstown - Douglasville - Reading - Wyomissing

Philly - Lindenwood - Cape May Courthouse - Cape May

Philly - Elwyn - Wawa - West Chester

Philly - Fox Chase - Bryn Athyn - South Hampton - Newton

Philly - Warminster - Ivyland

Philly - Lansdale - Hatfield - Souderton - Telford - Sellersville - Quakertown - Bethlehem - Allentown

Philly - Norristown - East Norriton - Blue Bell - Upper Gwynedd - Lansdale

Scranton - Binghamton - spur to Elmira - Syracuse

Harrisburg - York

Lancaster - York

Coatsville - Kennett Square - Avondale - West Grove - Oxford

Wilmington - Dover - Salisbury - Ocean City

New Haven - Hartford - Springfield - Montpelier - Burlington - Montreal

Boston South Station - Stoughton - spur to Falls River & New Bedford(2016)

Boston South Station - North Station Rail Connector

Boston North Station - Nashau,NH - Manchester,NH

Boston North Station - Fitchburgh - Wachusett

Boston North Station - Haverhill - Exter - Portland - Brunswick

Baltimore Camden Yards - Linthicum - Ferndale - Glen Burnie - Pasadena - Severna Park - Annopolis

Baltimore Penn Station - Ellicott City - Sykesville - Mount Airy - Fredrick

DC Union Station - Manassas - Haymarket

DC Union Station - Manassas - Bealeton - Remington - Culpeper - Charlottesville - Lynchburg

DC Union Station - Fredricksburg - Ashland - Richmond Staples Mill - Richmond Main Street

Richmond Main Street Station - Chesterfield - Petersburg - Waverly - Wakefield - Suffolk - Portsmouth - Norfolk

Richmond Main Street Station - Richmond International Airport - Williamsburg - Newport News - Hampton

Richmond Main Street Station - Lynchburg - Bedford - Roanoke - Blacksburg - Bistrol


So what do you think?
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The Portland - Norfolk 2040 Intercity - DMU - Commuter Rail Plan

http://maps.google.com/maps/ms?hl=en...f0421a&t=h&z=6

The list is 2 pages , one covers the northern part and the other the southern.


Virginia

Current system size : 90 mi
added Miles of Electrified Rail : 116
added Miles of Diesel Rail : 517


New Hampshire

Current system size : 0
added Miles of Diesel Rail : 43


New Jersey

Current system size : 570 mi
added Miles of DMU Rail : 160
added Miles of Electrified Rail : 78
added Miles of Diesel Rail : 567
added Miles of Intercity Rail : 133


Lower Hudson Valley

Current system size : 156 mi
added Miles of Diesel Rail : 185
added Miles of Electrified Rail : 47


Northeastern PA

Current system size : 0
added Miles of Diesel / Intercity Rail : 193


Southeastern PA

Current system size : 450
added Miles of Electrified Rail : 229
added Miles of DMU : 92
added Miles of Intercity Rail : 108


Amish Country

Current system size : 0
added Miles of Electrified Rail : 36
added Miles of Intercity Rail : 108
added Miles of Diesel Rail : 47


Connecticut

Current system size : 132
added Miles of Diesel Rail : 248
added Miles of Electrified Rail : 74
added Miles of Intercity Rail : 58


Massachusetts

Current system size : 368
added Miles of Intercity Rail : 270
added Miles of Electrified Rail : 102
added Miles of Diesel Rail : 342


Maine

Current system size : 0
added Miles of Diesel Rail : 29



Delaware

Current system size : 20 mi
added Miles of Diesel Rail : 249


Maryland

Current system size : 187 mi
added Miles of Diesel Rail : 89


Rhode Island

Current system size : 30
added Miles of Electrified Rail : 76



Current JCT cities

Newark
Philly
Rahway
Trenton
NYC
Boston
Springfield
Norristown
Lansdale
Baltimore
DC
Secaucus


Future JCT Cities

Harrisburg
Allentown
Philipsburg
Dover
New London
Worcester
Providence
Reading
Binghamton
Hartford
Waterbury
Danbury
Beacon
Wilmington
Fredrick
Newark,DE
Richmond
New Brunswick
Camden
Lynchburg


Future Push - Pullers for the Region.

ALP 46A



Metro-North M8

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Septa Silverliner V

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MARC MP36PH-3C 24

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Talgo XXI - Amtrak might purchase a few of these for operations on the newer intercity lines like the Lackawanna and Concord lines

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U.S. to restructure some Amtrak debt
15 October 2010

WASHINGTON, Oct 15 (Reuters) - The U.S. government has restructured certain Amtrak debt that would save the passenger railroad an estimated $162 million in future payments, the Treasury and Transportation departments said on Friday.

The government said it would spend $420 million to exercise early buyout options on 13 high-cost leases for rail cars and locomotives.

Amtrak is a federally chartered corporation that receives annual subsidies, some of which goes to paying debt.
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Nice talk about US high speed rail plans on "On Point":

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The other thread was closed. Anyways, a new press release
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SACRAMENTO – Today, the California High-Speed Rail Authority was awarded $715 million from the federal government, bringing to $4.3 billion the funding secured to begin construction on the core of the system in 2012, when the project will put thousands of Californians to work.

“Federal funding has once again invigorated the project and will be a huge boost to the state’s economy,” said California High-Speed Rail Authority Chairman Curt Pringle. “The key to developing this system is to create a core – a backbone for the system that will connect our major metropolitan cities. This funding helps us do that and lets us begin to capitalize on what high-speed rail means for California in jobs and development opportunity and in a more mobile and efficient state.”

The first phase of the 800-mile high-speed rail system will span the San Francisco Bay Area to the Los Angeles metropolitan area and will be built in several sections to manage the construction process and gets trains on the tracks as soon as possible. The federal funding received today includes a designation that $715 million of the funding be used on an eligible section in the Central Valley, earmarking the money for either the Merced-to-Fresno or Fresno-to-Bakersfield sections.


The four sections being considered as the potential launchpoint for high-speed rail construction are San Francisco to San Jose, Merced to Fresno, Fresno to Bakersfield and Los Angeles to Anaheim. The Authority is currently in the environmental analysis phase for all sections in the system.

“While we recognize that the federal government has indicated a preference by specifying the Central Valley for the bulk of the award, the Authority is committed to using formal criteria in making the selection to decide where to begin building high-speed rail,” said California High-Speed Rail Authority Chief Executive Officer Roelof van Ark.

The formal criteria the Authority will consider at its next meeting – set for November 4 in Sacramento – reflect both the legal requirements in Proposition 1A and federal law, as well as steps to maximize the benefits to the public while minimizing risks. Once finalized, the criteria will be applied to each of the four sections to determine which will launch the project in a way that makes possible the core of a statewide system – the top priority for the initial funding. A selection is expected before the end of the year.

Also included in today's award was $16 million designated to improvements to the 4th and King Street Station in San Francisco, a station in the San Francisco to San Jose segment proposed to serve the existing commuter rail service and high-speed rail.

The $4.3 billion in available funding incorporates the Authority’s January 2010 American Recovery and Reinvestment Act federal funding award matched dollar for dollar with state funds and today’s award of $715 million matched 30% in state funding.

Construction is slated to begin late 2012 with the state’s high-speed rail network providing passenger service from the San Francisco Bay Area to the Los Angeles metropolitan area by 2020.
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After our tea party governor in Florida repeals all our HSR funding, I would imagine CA will have a ball. :P
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