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Old January 27th, 2012, 11:16 AM   #401
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This is exaclty the post that reveals your mindest. This is NOT city vs city.
i didn't get answer to my question!
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Old January 27th, 2012, 11:41 AM   #402
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At you arguments have ended and you have started to speak about grammar?
When I looked projects in Frankfurt, I have noticed that at them at all an identical facade, I don't see beauty in this monotony commieblocks.
so you would also call new yorks historical skyline a bunch of commieblocks, would you? i am deeply sorry that you feel stone cladding resembles "commieblocks". i think many people have never paid attention to the way different materials behave after time has passed. look at some old buildings in your city and study the difference between glass, metal, concrete and natural stone and what time has done to each of them.
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Old January 27th, 2012, 11:44 AM   #403
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so you would also call new yorks historical skyline a bunch of commieblocks, would you? i am deeply sorry that you feel stone cladding resembles "commieblocks". i think many people have never paid attention to the way different materials behave after time has passed. look at some old buildings in your city and study the difference between glass, metal, concrete and natural stone and what time has done to each of them.
And here classical architecture?
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Old January 27th, 2012, 11:46 AM   #404
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it does not surprise me since all the available towers/highrises are built at the same place. nowadays a lot of people are changing their opinion and perception and their faith in frankfurt skyline is getting lesser and lesser as this overrated skyline has lost credibility, it has little potential and it does not offer any promising future as well. it's kind of understandable because frankfurt is just a small town with shrinking population.
eh no frankfurts population is increasing. so far all you posts are a mixture of disinformation and allegations, totally lacking any kind of valuable points.
well, you are a small kid (13?) and i think you are arguing in the best way you can. then again theres no value in your posts. i think its time to report your posts to the moderation again if you go on like that.
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Old January 27th, 2012, 11:47 AM   #405
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And here classical architecture?
what do you mean?
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Old January 27th, 2012, 11:50 AM   #406
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eh no frankfurts population is increasing. so far all you posts are a mixture of disinformation and allegations, totally lacking any kind of valuable points.
well, you are a small kid (13?) and i think you are arguing in the best way you can. then again theres no value in your posts. i think its time to report your posts to the moderation again if you go on like that.
What for you begin the conflict? To you try to prove that there are other cities except Frankfurt!
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Old January 27th, 2012, 11:51 AM   #407
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sorry, i still dont get what you mean, pal.
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Old January 27th, 2012, 11:53 AM   #408
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what do you mean?
I don't love office boxes of 70-80 years, they are ugly, but I love old classical architecture of Moscow and New-York
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Old January 27th, 2012, 11:58 AM   #409
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i dont love 70s office boxes either, because they are firstly very bland and secondly they are aging very unfavorable (glass/metal facade...)

that skyscraper you took as a example of bad architecture, is exactly the opposite, because it does resemble old new yorkish style.

http://www.abload.de/img/untitled-1yez1.jpg

you can argue that certain elements were translated incorrect or that its proportion is inconsistent (which i dont feel). yet you can hardly suggest it does not resemple historic style.
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Old January 27th, 2012, 12:05 PM   #410
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i dont love 70s office boxes either, because they are firstly very bland and secondly they are aging very unfavorable (glass/metal facade...)

that skyscraper you took as a example of bad architecture, is exactly the opposite, because it does resemble old new yorkish style.

http://www.abload.de/img/untitled-1yez1.jpg

you can argue that certain elements were translated incorrect or that its proportion is inconsistent (which i dont feel). yet you can hardly suggest it does not resemple historic style.
http://www.abload.de/img/untitled-1yez1.jpg
I don't say that it is ugly, I say that it is very monotonous
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Old January 27th, 2012, 12:29 PM   #411
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it could be more exciting, yes. but in addition with similar highrises it would form a lovely skyline. i love it, when buildings "ryhme".

like that old berlin alexanderplatz vision (20 year old, never will look like this unfortunately...)


http://www.tagesspiegel.de/berlin/be...m/4602296.html
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Old January 27th, 2012, 12:35 PM   #412
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there are just mid-rise buildings seem as commieblocks in moscow
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Old January 27th, 2012, 12:37 PM   #413
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it could be more exciting, yes. but in addition with similar highrises it would form a lovely skyline. i love it, when buildings "ryhme".

like that old berlin alexanderplatz vision (20 year old, never will look like this unfortunately...)


http://www.tagesspiegel.de/berlin/be...m/4602296.html
really magnificent
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Old January 27th, 2012, 02:43 PM   #414
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Seriously, do we need to argue about this London vs Frankfurt stuffs?

Tbh, Frankfurt has a better skyline but when it comes to skyscrapers London is much better

Let's have some examples. Lloyds Buiding, Willis Building, Satra, Heron Tower, The Shard, City Point and of course the great ***** of London.
Imho London's skyline has nothing to offer except the Pinnacle.

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Old January 27th, 2012, 04:31 PM   #415
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Ignoring trolling and flames of the posts, I actually find this discussion quite interesting. Because it seems, that many of us have absoluty contrary opinions and perception of what is "modern".

For me it's like that: this reflecting, blue/grey/green glass claddings are pretty end 90s for me. In Germany there is the tendency to start a new era of highrise architecture, which can be called neo-classical/art deco/whatever. The rendings of future/current projects in Frankfurt, the OpernTurm and Tauntusturm and to a lesser extent the T185 an, and also the Zoofenster in Berlin perfectly show this trend. And this is at least for me "modern". Retro-like. And retro is trendy - at least in Germany.

Soooooo, what I wanna say: Stop flaming all germans because we seem to have all very similiar opinions. That's maybe cuz we live in the same country, consume the same media, were sozialised the same way and so on. Not because we wanna defend our only city with skyscrapers. AT least, there are several skyscrapers in Frankfurt which I dont like, and also thousand of great skyscrapers in other cities (yes, even in London! ).

So please every one, try to understand different taste, backgrounds and opinions. There is no best skyscraper in europe, and there is no best skyline in europe as well. Because there is no objective definition of what is actually "good".

After 234275928593485493 posts of flamewar we should finally end this.
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Old January 27th, 2012, 05:02 PM   #416
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Old January 27th, 2012, 06:23 PM   #417
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this thread will not die until the big boss (not me) say so. This is a discussion thread, so all comments welcome as long as there is no personal insults and names calling. Remember guys, which skyscraper is better is a subjective thing, everybody is entitle to their opinion.

Btw, why the hell are we talking about skyline in the best skyscraper thread?
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Old January 27th, 2012, 07:03 PM   #418
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I think cardiac made a very good point regarding different tastes.
In every country there are different trends that are influenced by the media and he is right when he says glass claddings were popular in the 90s and early 2000s in Frankfurt.
There are several examples of that: Commerzbank tower (1997), Maintower (2000), Skyper (2004), Gallileo (2003), maybe also Westend Tower (1993) and Trianon (1993).
In so far there are enough towers with a glass cladding in Frankfurt (you could even say the dominate it) and that's why there is a trend to build towers with a classic stone cladding to make the skyline more diverse.

If you ask me there a two very innovative buildings by Sir Norman Foster that deserve to be mentioned in this thread:


http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Fi...jpg?uselang=de
http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Fi...jpg?uselang=de

An interesting fact about Commerzbank tower is that it has 9 skygardens with different themes (desert plants, rainforest, etc.) and it was one of the first 'green' skyscapers.

The Gherkin is also a green building an in my opinion one of the best recognizable landmarks in London.
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Old January 27th, 2012, 07:27 PM   #419
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1. Capital City towers
2. The Gherkin
3. Messeturm
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Old January 27th, 2012, 09:18 PM   #420
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Do not forget the Westhafen Tower (2004), which always reminds me at Gherkin (although Gherkin is taller and has another, more interesting shape)

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