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Old March 22nd, 2013, 02:16 PM   #2001
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I wonder why proposed skyscrapers like 2 WTC and the pinnacle, which have amazing & unique designs have such problems to be realized.

well don't have a lot of masterplanning, cityplanning or architectural background knowledge, but why do 'they' first build buildings like 'the walkie talkie', which i think is an eyesore and not such an iconic building like the pinnacle?!

The same with WTC 2...its a shame..

I mean, I think most of SScity members would like to see the pinnacle rising which would make a big (positive) difference to the london skyline...and I think so many members can't have a bad taste so..

I don't get it..
2 WTC will be built. Related is offering 5m sq ft of space at cost, and it has been signing a lot of leases due to the unbeatable price. Other developers can't compete.
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Old April 18th, 2013, 10:33 AM   #2002
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Is this still a current info? A redesign doesn't sound like a promising idea really, I loved the initial concept...

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It’s been a long time coming, but it looks like London’s most prestigious on-again off-again skyscraper – The Pinnacle – could finally be on the road to construction.


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Redesigning The Pinnacle.

2013 was set to be the year that The Pinnacle grinds back into action. But amid legal battles between the Tower’s Saudi owners and its building contractors, it seems as though the respective parties have had their focus firmly planted elsewhere.

Now, all that could be about to change. According to the Architect’s Journal, a glimmer of hope in the form of a redesign – which should make construction cheaper – could put The Pinnacle back on track.

Architects Kohn Pedersen Fox, the tower’s original designers, have been successfully retained despite the attempts of rival architectural firms to take over the re-design process. Originally, the design included a spectacular spiralling, curved glass structure, with each piece of glass requiring bespoke cutting and shaping. But in the face of soaring construction costs – fast approaching £1 billion – it is believed that this part of the design has now been altered to cut costs on the project.

The redesigns are expected within the next two weeks, and could even include a taller specification for the Tower. The structure is already set to soar over other landmark London office buildings including the Gherkin, Heron Tower and Canary Wharf, and will be second in height only to the astronomical Shard (1,016 ft).

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Old April 18th, 2013, 05:04 PM   #2003
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Is this a new design?
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Old May 2nd, 2013, 04:24 AM   #2004
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Brookfield takes expanded role on revamped Pinnacle

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Contractor Brookfield Multiplex has secured an expanded management role on the stalled Pinnacle tower development. The news comes as revamped designs for the tower are set to be launched which are expected to propose a partial change of use from commercial to residential.

Building understands that Brookfield Multiplex has taken on a “hybrid” contractor and project management role on the City tower (pictured), beyond its £593m job as main contractor, and has been working with architect Kohn Pederson Fox and the client to value engineer the designs in a bid to significantly reduce the project’s costs. Under current plans the cost could reach £1bn.

It is understood the new plans are aimed at simplifying the 288m-tall helter-skelter form to make the unusual shape more viable for office use. However, it is also understood that the relaunched scheme is set to include a partial change of use from commercial to residential in a bid to boost its viability. This move is likely to prove controversial with City of London planners, who have long opposed residential use in the City and have expressed concerns about the potential distortion of the City’s commercial development by the influx of foreign wealth into London’s residential market.

Peter Rees, City of London planning officer, told Building: “Were they to seek alternative use of significant parts of the building, it would be unlikely to be accepted from a planning point of view in London’s central business district, where we’re short of office space.”

The Pinnacle has lain dormant since the beginning of 2012 after finance for the scheme dried up.

A £16m legal row over unpaid fees between Brookfield and the client, Pinnacle No 1 Ltd - a joint-venture between Sedco, a Saudi Arabian fund manager, and a Sharia-compliant fund managed by Pramerica - was settled in January, removing the imminent threat of insolvency from the stalled project.

It is understood that Brookfield’s expanded role on the scheme was secured as part of that settlement, with the firm likely to earn higher fees if the project is built out, to compensate for the £16m it had claimed it was owed.

However, the project still lacks the anchor tenant the client has said it needs to enable it to proceed. Until a tenant or a fresh financing package can be secured the project is likely to remain on hold.

A Brookfield Multiplex spokesperson declined to comment on the exact detail of the firm’s role or the fresh design proposals, but said: “We are working with the client on a development appraisal to move the scheme forward.”

Kohn Pederson Fox and Pinnacle No 1 declined to comment.
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The Pinnacle, partly built and planned as the tallest skyscraper in London, is presently known as "The Stump", since only seven of it's 63 storeys have been built, could be knocked down and rebuilt.

The architects, Kohn Pedersen Fox have completed a redesign of the Pinnacle, to reduce the cost of it's construction, originally estimated at around £1 billion, thanks to the use of expensive curved windows in particular, which were each of a different size.

The original design would make it more than twice as expensive to build as the Shard, which cost around £450 million and would increase the risk that the building might not be profitable.

The new designs have similar massing, but will require planning consent. City planning officer Peter Rees said: "The Pinnacle, or Helter-Skelter as I prefer to call it, was one of the last of the era of wacky buildings." Rees has been involved in discussions about alternative designs, and expects to see proposals which are more commercially sensible in terms of floor plates, where curves produce too much dead space.

Back in February, a resolution to the buildings other legal and financing issues, which had halted construction in January 2012, was announced. The financing issues had been caused by the legal dispute over unpaid fees to Brookfield, which made prospective tenants think twice about signing the pre-lets which make the scheme viable.

In a statement then Arab Investments said: "The Pinnacle No 1 Limited announces that it has secured finance to continue the Pinnacle project over the next two years including a further annual extension of the HSH Nordbank loan.

"It has also reached agreement with Brookfield Multiplex, which will allow the two companies to continue to work on the project going forward. The Pinnacle No 1 Limited will initiate a review of the scheme with Brookfield and will make a further statement following the completion of this review."

As a result of the settlement Bookfield Multiplex is taking on an expanded role as co-developer as well as main contractor. Whether the building that is eventually built will be a "Pinnacle" remains to be seen.
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Old May 3rd, 2013, 01:41 AM   #2005
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Sounds like Peter Rees wants to play hardball. This could scupper the whole project.
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Old May 3rd, 2013, 01:44 AM   #2006
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£1 billion for this?
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Old May 3rd, 2013, 10:42 PM   #2007
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Maybe it's all a coy plan after seeing the success of the Shard.

Whatever we see it will be of terrific design as it will still be the Pinnacle of the City's cluster. Don't think people have to worry so much. Yes the original design was lovely but so will the next one.
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Old September 22nd, 2013, 06:34 PM   #2008
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This tower should be in under construction form, I drove past today and the core was almost 6 stories high.
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Old September 22nd, 2013, 07:05 PM   #2009
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It's been like that for a long while, that's why it's on hold and it belongs here.
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Old October 9th, 2013, 05:22 PM   #2010
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No Redesign yet...

Has anybody got any news on this? Are they waiting for tennants or some sort of deal?

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Old October 15th, 2013, 01:02 AM   #2011
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I can't wait to see this rise, I hope it's soon because it will beautify the city cluster
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Old October 15th, 2013, 01:24 AM   #2012
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A friend of mine who works with KPF mentioned that they are considering a height decrease to the 220-230m range in order to save on costs. Planning is in the preliminary stages however so this is subject to change.
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This has become such a disappointment especially with the suggestion of a height decrease.
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A friend of mine who works with KPF mentioned that they are considering a height decrease to the 220-230m range in order to save on costs. Planning is in the preliminary stages however so this is subject to change.
That would be awful, purely because it would be the same height as 122 Leadenhall, which isn't what the cluster needs. Even 240-250m would be more desirable, as long as it's taller than Leadenhall to really give the cluster a pinnacle, otherwise it risks becoming a rather flat skyline.
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That would be awful, purely because it would be the same height as 122 Leadenhall, which isn't what the cluster needs. Even 240-250m would be more desirable, as long as it's taller than Leadenhall to really give the cluster a pinnacle, otherwise it risks becoming a rather flat skyline.
Exactly, if it gets a height decrease I'd rather they cancel it all together. It really does pain me to say that.
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We all should wait for the official report. KPF previously reported that the height will be increased and this building will become the tallest building in London after the Shard and i initially thought that the height would be around 1000 ft. Fingers crossed though!
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"KPF previously reported that the height will be increased"

Hmm. Not sure about that.
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"KPF previously reported that the height will be increased"

Hmm. Not sure about that.
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I don't think they can go much higher than the original 288m (or whatever it was) because of the overall maximum height restrictions imposed on buildings in London. The reason for the Pinnacle not being allowed to match the height of the Shard is that The City is on a slight elevation compared to south of the river. At least that's how I've been led to understand things from reading the forums.
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I don't think they can go much higher than the original 288m (or whatever it was) because of the overall maximum height restrictions imposed on buildings in London. The reason for the Pinnacle not being allowed to match the height of the Shard is that The City is on a slight elevation compared to south of the river. At least that's how I've been led to understand things from reading the forums.
The Reason for height restriction on the original Pinnacle design was because of Aviation Authority - thats it. The Pinnacle was originally meant to be taller than The Shard.

A height increase to 1000+ (just below or higher than The Shard) is actually quite realistic... especially with a new simplified design.

I believe we will hear news on this soon... The owners will have to act soon because competition is stirring in the City and The Pinnacle will be left behind on tennants.
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