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Old October 18th, 2013, 01:51 AM   #2021
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That would be good – I think. Too tall and it would look out of proportion to the rest of the cluster. Too short and the pinnacle effect wouldn't happen properly.
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Old October 18th, 2013, 02:08 AM   #2022
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I completely agree with what all of you gents said above.

It is not allowed to go higher than planned height is because of it's proximity to LCY (London City Airport).
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Old October 23rd, 2013, 12:04 PM   #2023
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I completely agree with what all of you gents said above.

It is not allowed to go higher than planned height is because of it's proximity to LCY (London City Airport).
Yes exactly. But I think the maximum height is around 1000 anyway. I wouldn't be surprised if they hit it. It is probably the reason behind the delay. Having another tower in London this tall will take a lot of politics and challenges to overcome.

I am still hopeful of this project.
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Old October 25th, 2013, 09:33 AM   #2024
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Yes exactly. But I think the maximum height is around 1000 anyway. I wouldn't be surprised if they hit it. It is probably the reason behind the delay. Having another tower in London this tall will take a lot of politics and challenges to overcome. I am still hopeful of this project.
Add on the height of any crane during construction perhaps?

Sadly I'm expecting a height decrease now. It's a shame if true as height was never its problem.
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Old October 25th, 2013, 12:41 PM   #2025
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Look at it from a different point of view.

"The Pinnacle" - It has to be the tallest in the city otherwise it will need to change it's name.

In my honest opinion I see this being boxier but not much different in height.

Truthfully. A box with a crown would look the dogs bollocks.
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Old October 30th, 2013, 04:37 PM   #2026
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Look at it from a different point of view.

"The Pinnacle" - It has to be the tallest in the city otherwise it will need to change it's name.

In my honest opinion I see this being boxier but not much different in height.

Truthfully. A box with a crown would look the dogs bollocks.
You actually right. Anything very tall right now would look amazing - a true centre to a skyline. It would look amazing.

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Old October 30th, 2013, 05:28 PM   #2027
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Something like Singapore's Republic Plaza wouldn't look too out of place, I reckon. As long as it defines the skyline, looks nice and makes an impact, it'll be great - it doesn't have to be the most flashy and extravagant design in the world.
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Old October 31st, 2013, 05:15 PM   #2028
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Something like Singapore's Republic Plaza wouldn't look too out of place, I reckon. As long as it defines the skyline, looks nice and makes an impact, it'll be great - it doesn't have to be the most flashy and extravagant design in the world.
Eh, I'm not a fan of Republic Plaza - but I see where you're coming from.

I think something like the International Commerce Centre in Hong Kong would fit well;
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Old October 31st, 2013, 05:40 PM   #2029
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Although I agree with you guys, some part of me just can't let the old design go, I liked it too much...
Ah well, looking forwards to see the new design!
And Bligh I agree, an ICC-like building would be great.
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Old November 4th, 2013, 06:13 PM   #2030
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Although I agree with you guys, some part of me just can't let the old design go, I liked it too much...
Ah well, looking forwards to see the new design!
And Bligh I agree, an ICC-like building would be great.
ikr! It really would! Bring a strong, powerful structure to the cluster and symbolically look like the most important - thus the Pinnacle.
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Old November 7th, 2013, 04:36 PM   #2031
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Is there any idea as to when we will see the new "simpler" design? I am surprised this has not happened already with all of the construction going on in London the longer they wait the more competition is coming up.
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Old November 11th, 2013, 12:41 AM   #2032
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Been waiting for months to hear any news - yet still nothing!

I think they should retain the height of 290m-300m mark and clad the building in the same quality as 20 Fenchurch Street.

A height decrease would be an absolute disaster! The City needs a pinnacle... look at L.A. as an example.

I really hope the new design and renders is released soon or by the New Year, it needs to be built
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Old November 11th, 2013, 01:34 AM   #2033
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Any height decrease and I'd rather they just knock it all down, that's how disappointed I would be.
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Old November 11th, 2013, 02:30 AM   #2034
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Totally agree. Needs to be at least 270m to make a considerable impact in comparison to Leadenhall which is 225m, but I would rather it be around 330m (Am I over optimistic?)
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Old November 12th, 2013, 11:29 AM   #2035
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Totally agree. Needs to be at least 270m to make a considerable impact in comparison to Leadenhall which is 225m, but I would rather it be around 330m (Am I over optimistic?)
No you're not over optimistic. 300+m is incredibly realistic. The Pinnacle will be in a competitive area - floor space will be needed. Even if some of the height is purely for vanity purposes - i still think it would be a good idea.

As people on here have mentioned - it is 'The Pinnacle' after all.
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Old November 12th, 2013, 04:17 PM   #2036
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Furthermore, even with a redesign to cut costs (that cladding was, to be fair, insanely complex for its value) they are going to want to retain available floor space. If we see a more boxy shape with a lower overall cost, it is almost certainly going to have to be taller to keep the same amount of available interior.

Even if it goes shorter, it's fine. The City of London is not going to be the architectural peak of London. Canary Wharf is getting huge and dense and tall, and there's an insane amount of projects going up all over the city.

The Pinnacle just needs to round out the City cluster, it doesn't need to be the defining spire of the city outside the City.
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Old November 12th, 2013, 05:18 PM   #2037
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Furthermore, even with a redesign to cut costs (that cladding was, to be fair, insanely complex for its value) they are going to want to retain available floor space. If we see a more boxy shape with a lower overall cost, it is almost certainly going to have to be taller to keep the same amount of available interior.

Even if it goes shorter, it's fine. The City of London is not going to be the architectural peak of London. Canary Wharf is getting huge and dense and tall, and there's an insane amount of projects going up all over the city.

The Pinnacle just needs to round out the City cluster, it doesn't need to be the defining spire of the city outside the City.
I would tend to agree with this.

As well I really do not care how tall it is, granted 300M would be amazing as long as it is BUILT and is over 200m I am a happy camper.
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Old November 14th, 2013, 03:02 PM   #2038
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I wouldn't be happy with 200m. Absolutely not!! Its one of the few last additions of tall building to the city for a very long time (because of the sightlines) and it has to be the right one!

It's gonna be really interesting whats gonna happen after the city cannot build any more skyscrapers, can you imagine everything happening in CW? Or even the creation of a new master-planned highrise business district? So exciting!
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Old November 14th, 2013, 06:41 PM   #2039
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I wouldn't be happy with 200m. Absolutely not!! Its one of the few last additions of tall building to the city for a very long time (because of the sightlines) and it has to be the right one!

It's gonna be really interesting whats gonna happen after the city cannot build any more skyscrapers, can you imagine everything happening in CW? Or even the creation of a new master-planned highrise business district? So exciting!
They're quite a few buildings in the City waiting to come up... The Scalpel, 100 Bishopsgate, 40 Leadenhall (Gotham City), Heron Plaza, and more.

The momentum will be here for many years... especially considering 40 Leadenhall has only recently released renders (September time?).

Whatever does happen to The Pinnacle - London will have many skyscraper projects rise up to create a vivid, unique and beautiful skyline.
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The City is also not the future of London's skyscrapers. It's too congested and too restricted. Canary Wharf is going to be vast in a couple of decades. It will be midtown to the City's lower manhattan.
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