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Old March 9th, 2017, 09:47 AM   #2341
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It's not such a bad tower in and of itself but it just doesn't deserve to be a centrepiece tower (it's almost as tall as Undershaft and looks significantly wider). Wish it was much smaller and hidden away out of sight.
Definitely, agree with you, the whole skyline there looks just like a Rubik's cube
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Old March 11th, 2017, 07:54 PM   #2342
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Old March 12th, 2017, 05:39 PM   #2343
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London's skyline was already ruined some years ago. Nothing else can be done now other than imploding all these buildings and building some sort of La Defense in the outskirts of London.
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Old March 12th, 2017, 06:12 PM   #2344
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London's skyline was already ruined some years ago. Nothing else can be done now other than imploding all these buildings and building some sort of La Defense in the outskirts of London.
I'm awfully sorry to read such a conservative attitude, next time have in mind that not everyone in Europe wants to live in an open air museum.
London you look better and better with every year! I love glass combined with modern + functional space where people can actually work.
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Old March 12th, 2017, 07:26 PM   #2345
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I don't think it's that bad, but it could be a lot better given the location. The first proposal seemed more suited to the Persian Gulf than Europe.
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Old March 14th, 2017, 08:59 PM   #2346
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I don't think it's that bad, but it could be a lot better given the location. The first proposal seemed more suited to the Persian Gulf than Europe.
I agree about the Persian Gulf point.
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Old March 15th, 2017, 02:48 PM   #2347
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I'm awfully sorry to read such a conservative attitude, next time have in mind that not everyone in Europe wants to live in an open air museum.
London you look better and better with every year! I love glass combined with modern + functional space where people can actually work.
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The fact that he disagrees with you doesnt mean that he is "more conservative" (not that conservativism is a bad thing). In fact, your blind arrogance and unprovoked hostility towards those that disagree with you has an unfortunate air of fascism to it. It is unfortunate that, even in the 21st century, you and countless other people feel a need to demean people simply for having a dissenting opinion.
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disposed to preserve existing conditions, institutions, etc., or to restore traditional ones, and to limit change
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Architecture Lover was clearly talking about conservatism in terms of style and trends in urbanism. Keep an eye out for operative phrases before you post, lest you come off sounding "triggered."

In any case, I tend to agree with Architecture Lover and disagree with JMGA196. Obviously the marvelous architectural history of London should be preserved, but maintaining the "old London feel" shouldn't come at the cultural and economic cost of being one of the top Alpha world cities. Fact is, Fortune 500 companies demand high tech Class A office space, sometimes on the order of 100Ks of square meters at a time, that can only be answered by modern highrises. And the trends in the (particularly young part of the) workforce that keeps those companies running are moving towards an urban "live where you work, or at least within a short bike/transit commute" lifestyle.

I don't see how London can answer the call without continuing to build new skyscrapers in the central city. To my mind, the focus should be on ensuring the quality of the architecture is consistently high, and that the most important pieces of the city's architectural heritage get preserved.
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Old March 17th, 2017, 05:48 AM   #2348
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Old March 17th, 2017, 05:49 AM   #2349
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Old March 17th, 2017, 01:11 PM   #2350
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London's skyline was already ruined some years ago. Nothing else can be done now other than imploding all these buildings and building some sort of La Defense in the outskirts of London.
Yes you are right. At least La Defense looks like a real cluster... and not like that mess London gets...
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Old March 17th, 2017, 02:11 PM   #2351
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I think the London "mess" is quite attractive, with all kinds of views and old church towers jumbled up together.
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Old March 17th, 2017, 04:13 PM   #2352
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Truly great cities marry the new and the old. I like wandering through old pretty cities and also seeing the marvels of new cities. But when a city gets the balance right it has a different energy. It's like the contrast highlights how the city is a living thing and you're just apart of it for a brief time.
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Old March 17th, 2017, 04:53 PM   #2353
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I think the London "mess" is quite attractive, with all kinds of views and old church towers jumbled up together.
Yes. I appreciate London a lot btw... but just "be careful" to don't let people make it a complete mess with towers growing everywhere without global vision.
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Old April 15th, 2017, 01:21 PM   #2354
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From Wednesday (12.04.2017):

22 Bishopsgate from Threadneedle Street (12.04.2017)
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22 Bishopsgate under construction from Bishopsgate Street (12.04.2017)
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Old April 20th, 2017, 12:09 AM   #2355
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The core for 22BG is now at floor 21 from what is visible beneath the core formwork. 100 Bishopsgate is also rising further down the road currently at floor 22 beneath the formwork creating an immensely dense canyon.


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Old April 22nd, 2017, 02:52 PM   #2356
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While 22 Bishopsgate's height was cut, the Mitsubishi Tower, which will rise next door, will now get an extra ten stories!

http://www.standard.co.uk/news/londo...-a3506651.html

http://www.standard.co.uk/news/londo...-a3506651.html

The flat top of 22 Bushopsgate is visible just behind Mitsubishi's stacked boxes.

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Old May 2nd, 2017, 09:44 AM   #2357
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Old May 2nd, 2017, 10:50 AM   #2358
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The Mitsubishi Tower is another disaster for London. Another top-heavy looking tower like 20 Fenchurch Street, as if threatening to topple over. It's architecturally uncouth. This one doesn't help things much either.
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Old May 2nd, 2017, 02:19 PM   #2359
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So what is the final design?
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Old May 2nd, 2017, 02:34 PM   #2360
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They are building the stepped design, unless they submit another redesign (which may or may not happen, depending on who you ask).

Personally, I'm hoping they resubmit with some sort of angular/slanted design for the top section!
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