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Old May 21st, 2017, 12:27 AM   #2401
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Old May 21st, 2017, 12:45 AM   #2402
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That's clearly not the design. You can tell from the very minor setbacks shown from the rear angles.
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Old May 21st, 2017, 12:56 AM   #2403
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Sorry to burst your negative bubble but this is the final design. Go troll somewhere else your getting boring !!!
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Old May 21st, 2017, 01:47 AM   #2404
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This is so confusing, the building is already under construction and there is no one to confirm (with high certainty) which is the final design, that is already being constructed.
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Old May 21st, 2017, 02:39 PM   #2405
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buildings of that height should have a better design. IMO it ruins the skyline.
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Old May 21st, 2017, 02:54 PM   #2406
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This is so confusing, the building is already under construction and there is no one to confirm (with high certainty) which is the final design, that is already being constructed.
It has been confirmed. 278m stepped design. There's no reason to still be confused, all the necessary information has been posted both here and in the London forum, detailing the withdrawal of the 255m design and the continuation of the construction of the 278m design, the only version that is officially approved for the site.
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Old May 21st, 2017, 03:45 PM   #2407
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Thanks for clarifying this to me, the last pages in the international section appeared confusing to me. I'm glad that they've chosen the taller and stepped design.
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Old May 21st, 2017, 04:13 PM   #2408
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This thing is horrible! It ruins the City skyline.
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Old May 21st, 2017, 04:20 PM   #2409
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I see the exact opposite. I see this tower as a building that tries to bring balance in London's skyline, because the rest of the towers around her just scream: look at me, I'm so avantgarde. Hopefully it will bring the balance that's obviously needed with her calm and unobtrusive design.
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Old May 21st, 2017, 10:39 PM   #2410
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Thanks for clarifying this to me, the last pages in the international section appeared confusing to me. I'm glad that they've chosen the taller and stepped design.
All good - yeah, certain other people aren't really helping things. But I can fully confirm that it's the taller stepped design.
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Old May 22nd, 2017, 01:26 AM   #2411
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I see the exact opposite. I see this tower as a building that tries to bring balance in London's skyline, because the rest of the towers around her just scream: look at me, I'm so avantgarde. Hopefully it will bring the balance that's obviously needed with her calm and unobtrusive design.


Undershaft will achieve this objective far more elegantly. This thing is too massive. I wouldn't mind the same design minus 10 floors, so Undershaft would take the eye's attention. As it stands it will dominate everything, the opposite of being unobtrusive!
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Old May 22nd, 2017, 01:58 AM   #2412
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You may be right, however, I don't think that the problem with this tower is the massiveness it has, but the fact that they're very close to each other. If they were more far away from each other I think that both would've looked just excellent. This final design of 22 Bishopsgate looks great to me, just as we can see in the render posted few posts above it looks splendid (to me), however when you add 1 Undershaft, the story gets too crowded.
At the end it might all turn looking just great, because it's different when you see the real finished product, the buildings might cooperate with each other perfectly. Compared to other towers who seem to capture all the attention already, in a way this one still appears unobtrusive.
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Old May 23rd, 2017, 07:40 AM   #2413
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Well....looking at it from Los Angeles, particularly the sunrise rendering, there is no question that this is a large office building, and tries, with the use of angular floorplates, to reduce its mass, which helps, to a degree, But i think the 100 Bishopsgate tower is the tower that is going to provide the balance, its also a large, though shorter tower, but in my opinion it's roof line is just the right elevation to bring this towers mass down a few pegs, the pointed tower to the right, (Mitsubishi,?) would set it all off, if it were 10 to15 floors higher............................only my opinion,
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Old May 23rd, 2017, 08:09 AM   #2414
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I'm happy they went with the stepped design, but I wouldn't mind if they slices off a bit of 'fat' from the sides. It's so overwhelming.
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I just think they should move the location of the 1 Undershaft design. 90% of it will be blocked anyway by 22BG. They should move it more towards the Walkie Talkie, that will also help the cluster expand a bit. Right now it is still fine, but if the buildings are so close together, it will just be a tortured mess. Don't they have zoning laws in London preventing skyscrapers from being so close together? As for the new/old design of this building, Idk how to feel, on one hand I'm happy it is the stepped and more interesting 278 meter version, and I prefer the taller one by itself. If however 1 Undershaft is built I would rather like the 255 meter version that would block less of it.
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Old May 23rd, 2017, 05:10 PM   #2416
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The main issue that will always affect the aesthetic of the City cluster is the two St Paul's sightlines that run through the centre of it; the first that means we can't expand tall northwards from the Heron Salesforce Tower to the Broadgate Tower, and the southern one between 122 Leadenhall and the Scalpel (the inverse-V shape that is carved out of the skyline is a result of the buildings leaning back out of the sightline). This has limited the number of plots available to tall buildings in the City, and forced them to be tight resulting in the rather mangled distribution they have.
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Old May 25th, 2017, 02:12 AM   #2417
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The overwrought St Paul's sight lines have done far more harm than good (notwithstanding Rogers' excellent 122 Leadenhall). Intended to maintain the aesthetic integrity - appreciation for one building, they jeopardize that of many.
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Blimey! This is bad.

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Old May 25th, 2017, 03:54 AM   #2419
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If the tallest of the three volumes - or the the one in the middle - was black, this skyscraper would look less massive, less intrusive, more vertical, more dynamic, and it'd pay a clearer homage to the The City's former tallest: Tower42.
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Old May 25th, 2017, 04:08 AM   #2420
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Blimey! This is bad.
At this stage, I'd say you're moving toward troll territory.
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